Vinayå volume 1:DiamondNgXZ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:01 amhttps://sasanarakkha.org/2010/11/01/imp ... -virtuous/Gwi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:19 amDiamondNgXZ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:36 am
I missed out no underage sex, that's covered by protection by parents, guardians etc. I think no rape is covered under protection by law, and by herself consent.
In the case of Eastern societies, indeed, the girl maybe protected by parents even well into her thirties. In most Western societies (or at least my impression of it), I see the culture of parents letting their kids free to do what they want after 18 or 21. In that case, the girl is not really considered under protection of parents.
As for parents wanting to make sure that their kids get good spouses, it didn't state specifically that it needs to exclude sex before marriage, say between fiances. Nowadays, it's mainly practised via the kids bringing their potential spouse to meet the parents. It seems it's up to the individual families to decide if they wish to grant such permission of pre-marital sex. However, I agree that there's always a danger for pre-marital sex to involve the girl being dumped by the guy after an unwanted pregnancy, and the family of the girl has to bear the burden of helping the girl becoming a single mother. In that sense, I think it's justified for family members to judge the spouse and object if they find that the partner seems uncommitted and yet they wish to have sex.
Anyway, it's quite open to interpretation, I think Eastern societies standards may lean towards very conservative, Western ones may lean towards liberal sexual attitudes. There's room for interpretation for both sides. Heavily depends on the society they are in. Since this is the internet, it's good to be aware of the mixture of many different cultural influences, and to be clear on what's the text, how to interpret it and what's our cultural assumptions, background.
pre-marital *** = breaking the third precept.
Not adultery, but fornication.
You can download and read the 3rd precept section. I will quote some of it below:
There's no explicit mention that sex is only allowed in marriage, between the couple. Read on and you'll find cases which totally makes you cringe, yet doesn't break the precept.This precept can be broken by oneself
only—no one can break it for another. It is
broken when the following four conditions
are all present:
1. The forbidden person.
2. Intention to have sexual intercourse
with the person.
The Third Precept: Refraining from sexual misconduct 41
3. Effort made in committing the sexual
act.
4. Consent to the sexual act.
The forbidden person can only refer to
the opposite sex and not to the same sex. For
males this person may be:
1. A female who is under protection,
such one who is unmarried, engaged
or protected by [law with threat of]
penalty.
2. A female who is married to or is
cohabiting with another male,
including a prostitute whose services
are currently contracted to another
client.
In the case of females, three categories of
males are forbidden:
1. For a married or cohabiting female,
any male other than her husband or
cohabitant respectively.
2. For an engaged female, any male
other than the one she is engaged to.
42 The Importance of Being Morally Virtuous
3. For a female protected by [law with
threat of] penalty, any male prohibited by the law.
In our modern context, “a female protected by [law with threat of] penalty” would
refer to any female decreed by law to be a forbidden sexual partner, e.g. a female convict, a
close female relative, someone under the age
of consent.
Details from the Pāli scriptures are shown
in Appendix C. Lists A and B are the categories of females forbidden to males. The list for
females is a bit more complicated: it shows
the categories of males forbidden to specific
categories of females
Under the tutelage of mother and father:
Supervised, guarded, under power,
under the control of mother and father.
Kāmesumicchācārå = wrong conduct in sensual pleasures
pre-marital xxx (harlotry) = violate
Prostitutes (harlotry) = violate
Adultery = violate (big problem)
Rape (ravisment) = violate (big problem)
pre-marital xxx n prostitutes = FORNICATION = VIOLATE
Read Dhammapadå 24,
Kumbhaghosakå's story:
The Buddhå said: "... However, the act of
stealing and crime others
(the third precept in the story [pre-marital xxx])
will only bring DUKKHÅ."