No. You are conflating and misunderstanding two concepts.DooDoot wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:07 pmMN 117 says the Path is without asava. Becoming is an asava. Thanissaro's idea of "paradox of becoming" is 100% wrong.Cause_and_Effect wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:13 am No, not illusion. Necessary and skillful 'I-making' on the path
Just because all bhava (becoming) contains asava, does not mean that bhava cannot be used to end asava and reach the final goal. In fact it is the only way. This is the paradox of becoming.
Jhana is a type of becoming that can be used to reach nibbana and end all asava and becoming.
DooDoot wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:07 pmNo. There is only self-identifying, which is "bhava". There is only "I-making". There is no "provisional self". There is only "self-identifying", which is grasping:Cause_and_Effect wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:05 am There are degrees of self- identifying, 'I making' and 'mine making', thus degrees of what we consider part of ones 'self'.
'I-making' and self-identitification = provisional self"There are these five clinging-aggregates, friend Visakha: form as a clinging-aggregate, feeling as a clinging-aggregate, perception as a clinging-aggregate, fabrications as a clinging-aggregate, consciousness as a clinging-aggregate. These five clinging-aggregates are the self-identification described by the Blessed One."
"The craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there — i.e., craving for sensual pleasure, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming: This, friend Visakha, is the origination of self-identification described by the Blessed One."
MN 44
Taking on an identity as a dhamma-practicioner or Buddhist is also a provisional self designed to lead ultimately to the end of bhava and asava.