Does impermanence cause Dukkha?

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SarathW
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Does impermanence cause Dukkha?

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Does impermanence cause Dukkha?
One of the monks said above.
Is that what Buddha said?
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Re: Does impermanence cause Dukkha?

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SarathW wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:03 am Does impermanence cause Dukkha?
One of the monks said above.
Is that what Buddha said?
Yeah, what that bhikkhu said is right.
It always make dukkhå or "will".

Dukkhå = grief, sad thing (pathetic).

In Indonesian, we said "duka (grief)".
Suka duka (ups and downs)


I using in google translate, Sri Lanka is same too. :jumping:

Sinhala: දුක
Bahagia Tidak Harus Selalu Bersama

Dhammapadå 370
"Tinggalkanlah 5 (belantara) dan patahkan 5 (belenggu rendah),
Serta kembangkan 5 potensi (4 iddhipādā + 1 ussoḷhi).
Bhikkhu yang telah menaklukkan 5 kungkungan (belenggu tinggi),
Lebih layak disebut 'orang yang telah mengarungi air baih (saṃsārå)'."
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Clinging to that which is impermanent...
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Re: Does impermanence cause Dukkha?

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"Now is what is impermanent painful or pleasant?" — "Painful, venerable Sir." Anatta-lakkhana Sutta
Can you permanently experience pleasant or neutral feelings?

The opposite is also true but not really a problem.

Are painful feelings permanent? Do they need to be?
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Re: Does impermanence cause Dukkha?

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Meaning of suffering can be explained in various ways according to the suttas .
It seems suffering arises from where when there is contact happens . However , at the same times suffering is being equated to as impermanent and non-self . The other meaning appear to be the 5 aggregates itself is synonymous to suffering . Then the 5 clinging aggregates is also called suffering .



SN22.15.
What is Impermanent

At Savatthi. “Bhikkhus, form is impermanent. What is impermanent is suffering. What is suffering is nonself. What is nonself should be seen as it really is with correct wisdom thus: ‘This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’



SN12.43.
Suffering

And what, bhikkhus, is the origin of suffering? In dependence on the eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises. The meeting of the three is contact. With contact as condition, feeling comes to be; with feeling as condition, craving. This is the origin of suffering.



SN22.16.
What is Suffering

At Savatthi. “Bhikkhus, form is suffering. What is suffering is nonself. What is nonself should be seen as it really is with correct wisdom thus: ‘This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’



SN 22.104
Dukkhasutta

And what is suffering? It should be said: the five grasping aggregates. What five? That is, the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. This is called suffering.
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Re: Does impermanence cause Dukkha?

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From Anattalakkhana Sutta:

"Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave, rūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Aniccaṁ, bhante”.

“Yaṁ panāniccaṁ dukkhaṁ vā taṁ sukhaṁ vā”ti?

“Dukkhaṁ, bhante”.


“Yaṁ panāniccaṁ dukkhaṁ vipariṇāmadhammaṁ, kallaṁ nu taṁ samanupassituṁ: ‘etaṁ mama, esohamasmi, eso me attā’”ti?

“No hetaṁ, bhante”."

So what the monk said is correct.
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.

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