mjaviem wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:09 pm
It's pleasant because people find it pleasing not because arahants find it pleasing. Unlike them, we have different likes and dislikes and we lust and repel. And they know it, they see pleasant or any kind of vedana arising. They 'see' it or 'know' it but don't 'experience' it in the sense that you use.
Do Buddhas and Arahants experience pleasant and unpleasant vedanā, yes or no? If they "see it and know it" then they are experiencing it since "seeing and knowing" involves the senses, in the context here.
They know what is pleasing and displeasing, which is different to liking and disliking.
Definition of pleasing
: giving pleasure : AGREEABLE
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pleasing
If it is pleasing then it is liked. To like something is to find it pleasing. If you didn't like it then it wouldn't be pleasing. It would be displeasing, or neutral.
When the Buddha easts food he still knows or sees what is tasty and what is not. The same for Ananda.
So they
liked different foods.
You cling too much to biological processes as being 'mine' or happening to 'me'. It seems you attach even more than me! Dependent origination is not meant for soul-believers. It is meant for the Noble disciples who went homeless to follow the Buddha.
I said jati in terms of dependent origination means literal gestation in the womb, for those born into humanity. I also said that is how the Buddha's audience would have understood it. Nothing in that commits me to any kind of soul theory. To clarify, ultimately I don't think we can speak of birth. Ultimately I don't think we can speak of Buddha nor nibbāna. Ultimately I don't think those things truly exist. Conventionally however they do, and it is in terms of worldly convention that dependent origination is explained. When birth is defined in the suttas, it means what it says. It means exactly what Brahmins, ascetics and layfolk understood by "birth". You also dodged my question. How does awakening cause past birth to cease? What does that even mean?
Yes, birth is a conception in the context of the Teachings. The biological process is for biology researchers, you can find good material about this in scientific libraries if you are interested in worldly matters like wombs, genes and inherited traits.
You don't have to be interested in biology and how birth happens to accept that jati in dependent origination meant and still means pregnancy, for humans, or spontaneous birth in heaven for devas etc etc.