There is no sutta where it says you can't hear sound in first jhana or any of the four jhanas... it's just that sound fades further and further into the background as seclusion & samadhi deepen.samseva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:24 amDo you have a Sutta that describes you can hear sound in jhāna, but you "have no interest/desire" in them (both of those things)? There is no such thing.
No sound in jhāna. If you're hearing two people having a joyful chat next to you, that's not jhāna. Jhāna is a deep meditative absorption where there is no perception of sound and the body.
If you want to think you're doing jhāna while hearing cars pass by, or things like that, feel free to do so.
'Secluded from sensual desires' is oft repeated... sounds arise but don't impinge because there's no desire.
Jhana is a meditative state where there is perception of the body and 'non attention' /'disinterest' in sound.
There's even a sutta where jhana is done whilst walking... pretty hard to do without a body.
This is just rehashing all the previous threads and you have your opinions and I have mine. I'm happy with my understanding and how the suttas (especially the jhana similes) affirm that understanding.