Sutta mention names of once returner n non returner while alive

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Anyone knows which sutta mention those (names) declared by the Buddha as once returner and non returner while they are still alive ?

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“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3
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SDC wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 am Ugga
Thanks but AN 8.21 doesnt say is an anagami , only describing abandoned five lower fetters .
The agama described not come back to this world take birth again in the womb . This can means no more rebirth which is arahant .



AN 8.21
Of the five lower fetters taught by the Blessed One, I don’t see any that I haven’t abandoned. This is the eighth astounding and amazing quality found in me.


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「尊者!我不但有是法。復次,尊者!謂佛所說五下分結,貪欲、瞋恚、身見、戒取、疑、我見此五,無一不盡令縛我還此世間,入於胎中。尊者!我有是法。
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asahi wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:45 am Anyone knows which sutta mention those (names) declared by the Buddha as once returner and non returner while they are still alive ?

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In a sutta (sarakani sutta?) Lord budda mentioned though a drunkard Sarakani , a lay person, died as a sotapanna.
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justindesilva wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:00 am
asahi wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:45 am Anyone knows which sutta mention those (names) declared by the Buddha as once returner and non returner while they are still alive ?

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In a sutta (sarakani sutta?) Lord budda mentioned though a drunkard Sarakani , a lay person, died as a sotapanna.
I am editing here to mention the suicidal efforts of channa thera and godhika thera whom lord budda mentioned as arhants before their suiciding.
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asahi wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:58 am AN 8.21 doesnt say is an anagami , only describing abandoned five lower fetters .
The agama described not come back to this world take birth again in the womb . This can means no more rebirth which is arahant .
Those who are freed from the five lower fetters are non-returners (anagami); they do not return to this sensual world (kamaloka) and thus do not return to a womb, but are born spontaneously in the pure abodes. (e.g. AN 3.87)
If Ugga was an arahant, he would have straight up said so instead of only talking about the five lower fetters.
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Nicolas wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:16 pm ......
Other than non returner example i am looking for those (with at least one or two example) person whom being declared by the Buddha as Once returner .
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