Alright, thanks for explanation.Joe.c wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:06 am I dont say there is no birth of being. But if you practice diligently you can transcend all those that have defilements.
Check MN 117 Great 40To understand DO and practice N8FP is to transcend all those things such as kamma vipaka, rebirth. Otherwise, there is no way for a person to achieve Arahant (perfected) in this life.There is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And there is right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path.
Also if you understand SN 56.11 dhammacakkappavatana SuttaAlso check MN 2 sabbasava sutta if one is thinking about past, present or future. They will not be able to break the 3 low fetters.Mendicants, these two extremes should not be cultivated by one who has gone forth. What two? Indulgence in sensual pleasures, which is low, crude, ordinary, ignoble, and pointless. And indulgence in self-mortification, which is painful, ignoble, and pointless. Avoiding these two extremes, the Realized One woke up by understanding the middle way of practice, which gives vision and knowledge, and leads to peace, direct knowledge, awakening, and extinguishment.
for uneducated ordinary people…When they attend improperly in this way, one of the following six views arises in them and is taken as a genuine fact. The view: ‘My self exists in an absolute sense.’ The view: ‘My self does not exist in an absolute sense.’ The view: ‘I perceive the self with the self.’ The view: ‘I perceive what is not-self with the self.’ The view: ‘I perceive the self with what is not-self.’ Or they have such a view: ‘This self of mine is he who speaks and feels and experiences the results of good and bad deeds in all the different realms. This self is permanent, everlasting, eternal, and imperishable, and will last forever and ever.’ This is called a misconception, the thicket of views, the desert of views, the trick of views, the evasiveness of views, the fetter of views. An uneducated ordinary person who is fettered by views is not freed from birth, old age, and death, from sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress.They’re not freed from suffering, I say.
I learned a new interpretation from you today:
And this too:DO/DC is not about stopping the rebirth.
Buddha Teaching is about Anatta. If there is no self, then how can one is reborn?