Your framework is wrong. Protoconsciousness doesn't 'float' away, the universe itself exists within this fathom long body and some dimension of mind which is liberated.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:59 am Citta is liberated, yes. The question is what does that mean? Does it mean the mind is liberated from the āsavā, or does it mean it floats off somewhere to exist forever akin to the Jain doctrine where the eternal consciousness of the awakened ones ascends to the top of the universe? Which do you think the Buddha had in mind, considering that citta is dependently originated and so empty in much the same way that the body is?
How am I 'off topic'? I am also not arguing for or against the widespread use of psychedelics amongst meditators.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:12 am Actually the thread is about what the Orthodox Theravāda position on alcohol, narcotics, psychedelics is. So, you are in fact off topic in arguing for drug use based on your rather run-of-the-mill and predictably boring "insights" whilst high on them. Drug use doesn't even compare to merely a second of even access concentration. Try that instead. You'll be better for it. Quit looking for quick fixes.
There is no mention of psychedelics in the canon, hence this discussion which involves insights from psychedelic experiences.
Attempts to equate alcohol and narcotics with psychedelics are embarrassingly weak and have no basis in the canon or from modern research and merely reflect your personal biases.
It's no coincidence as I see it that both yourself and Coemgenu have extensive prior drug use with a variety of substances and are so strongly against them or the idea that certain substances can play a beneficial role.
I get that, and I don't want to damage that mentality if it maybe risks you relapsing since you used and class all drugs together recreationally.
However many of us are not in that position and can use psychedelics judiciously and integrate them with the work of meditative insight.