How to overcome love of debate?

[coconut]

No because i dont say it exist apart from its charecterostic of known

And yet Karma exists, just like the music

Karma exist only when u think inherant exostance of something like being... if u see as empty, how would u be creating karma?

In debate if u think being exist and then lose or win, u create karma but if u think agtregates fooling own aggregates of others u wont create karma as u dont act out of self desire but act to say out of compassion ... compassion when knowing that there is no person to send compassion and no one to receive compassiom and spreading everywhere is top most form of.compassiom that ends without reminder

As long as becoming, clinging, craving, ignorance and the latent tendencies exist, then Karma is being produced like the music of an instrument (5 aggregates), but when those things don't exist, then there is no more music being produced.

So to say that there is no being is wrong, only after those things are destroyed then there is no more being.

[confusedlayman]

And yet Karma exists, just like the music

Karma exist only when u think inherant exostance of something like being... if u see as empty, how would u be creating karma?

In debate if u think being exist and then lose or win, u create karma but if u think agtregates fooling own aggregates of others u wont create karma as u dont act out of self desire but act to say out of compassion ... compassion when knowing that there is no person to send compassion and no one to receive compassiom and spreading everywhere is top most form of.compassiom that ends without reminder

As long as becoming, clinging, craving, ignorance and the latent tendencies exist, then Karma is being produced like the music of an instrument (5 aggregates), but when those things don't exist, then there is no more music being produced.

So to say that there is no being is wrong, only after those things are destroyed then there is no more being.

When u perceive non self or impermanence of 5 agg and outside then dependent origination link is off instantly

[coconut]

Karma exist only when u think inherant exostance of something like being... if u see as empty, how would u be creating karma?

In debate if u think being exist and then lose or win, u create karma but if u think agtregates fooling own aggregates of others u wont create karma as u dont act out of self desire but act to say out of compassion ... compassion when knowing that there is no person to send compassion and no one to receive compassiom and spreading everywhere is top most form of.compassiom that ends without reminder

As long as becoming, clinging, craving, ignorance and the latent tendencies exist, then Karma is being produced like the music of an instrument (5 aggregates), but when those things don't exist, then there is no more music being produced.

So to say that there is no being is wrong, only after those things are destroyed then there is no more being.

When u perceive non self or impermanence of 5 agg and outside then dependent origination link is off instantly

Sure but to do that you have to be an Arahant path attainer about to destroy the last few fetters. Until then, the being/music/karma exists.

[confusedlayman]

As long as becoming, clinging, craving, ignorance and the latent tendencies exist, then Karma is being produced like the music of an instrument (5 aggregates), but when those things don't exist, then there is no more music being produced.

So to say that there is no being is wrong, only after those things are destroyed then there is no more being.

When u perceive non self or impermanence of 5 agg and outside then dependent origination link is off instantly

Sure but to do that you have to be an Arahant path attainer about to destroy the last few fetters. Until then, the being/music/karma exists.

I agree

[Sam Vara]

Spend more time here on DW.

"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom".

[Spiny Norman]

Spend more time here on DW.

"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom".

Like eating ice-cream until you're sick?

[SteRo]

Spend more time here on DW.

"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom".

Like eating ice-cream until you're sick?

Don't think that this applies to sensual desire.

[Spiny Norman]

Spend more time here on DW.

"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom".

Like eating ice-cream until you're sick?

Don't think that this applies to sensual desire.

It doesn't work for me.

[Bundokji]

Maybe contemplating the draw backs of debate helps:

Self-conquest is far better than the conquest of others. Not even a god, an angel, Mara or Brahma can turn into defeat the victory of a person who is self-subdued and ever restrained in conduct.

However, debates have benefits such as testing the consistency of ones own views. Also solving disputes through debates is better than resorting to violence or hate speech. Also debates can reveal the necessity of good intentions in investigating a truth with the help of another. Some statements can be technically true but serve to deceive absence good intentions. Also debates are manifestations of the uncertainty in conditioned phenomena. It also reveals how conventional reality functions and the temporary feeling of security we gain when we persuade another to agree with us. We get the feeling that the more we get people to perceive reality and to behave through the lens of a certain idea, the more we are heading toward a more certain and a more harmonious future. This is probably why, being a good debater is associated with status among social beings.

In a religious or spiritual community such as a Buddhist forum, discussing and debating are the primary vehicles of learning. There are aspects in us that can be cultivated in positive ways with the help of wise friends, such as our competitive nature and our desire to be right. There is nothing praiseworthy in losing a debate. When you observe our nature, our engagement with others is constantly negotiated since childhood. Even the limits and the status of the Buddha's authority is subject to negotiation among the unenlightened from a mere spiritual friend to being the one who knows.

In general, how we view things depends on where we are on the path. What can be beneficial at a certain point can be a hindrance at a different point. The individual practitioner is the ultimate criteria in my opinion.

[confusedlayman]

Spend more time here on DW.

"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom".

Like eating ice-cream until you're sick?

Don't think that this applies to sensual desire.

why its not sensual desire? I thought any desire for happens in 5 sense is sensual desire even drinking coffee or hearing music or eating fav food

[SteRo]

Like eating ice-cream until you're sick?

Don't think that this applies to sensual desire.

why its not sensual desire? I thought any desire for happens in 5 sense is sensual desire even drinking coffee or hearing music or eating fav food

You have to learn to read what is written.

[form]

Many people read in the suttas, the Buddha debate this and that and they tried to copy their idol and also debate
this and that. Some even think they are the defenders of the dhamma.

[confusedlayman]

Many people read in the suttas, the Buddha debate this and that and they tried to copy their idol and also debate
this and that. Some even think they are the defenders of the dhamma.

buddha dhamma can't be proved wrong.. hence buddhist don't fail in debates

but people who are partially know buddhism might get defeated by senior monks which is good thing for them to learn from monks.

[form]

Many people read in the suttas, the Buddha debate this and that and they tried to copy their idol and also debate
this and that. Some even think they are the defenders of the dhamma.

buddha dhamma can't be proved wrong.. hence buddhist don't fail in debates

but people who are partially know buddhism might get defeated by senior monks which is good thing for them to learn from monks.

Some debators do not stick to fair debate rules, they punch below belts.

No all Buddhists are equally clever.

Even the Buddha will see the situations, at certain time he kept his mouth closed. Cos if he offend the wrong people, they may do something terrible to him.

[SteRo]

Many people read in the suttas, the Buddha debate this and that and they tried to copy their idol and also debate
this and that. Some even think they are the defenders of the dhamma.

buddha dhamma can't be proved wrong.. hence buddhist don't fail in debates

That's a nice statement of someone who relies on belief and obviously is not engaged in the study of logical reasoning which is not included in theravada doctrine which btw is no deficiency of that doctrine.