Seeing things as they are, greed, hatred and delusion are brought to an end. Bringing greed, hatred and delusion to an end, things are seen as they are.
The bit of "luminosity"/clarity that arises as the mind turns towards an object is not yet seeing things as they are; it is far from it. It is the basis of what needs to be cultivated and it is part of a grouping of mental factors that are cultivated and brought into play.
I didn't mean turning towards the object. I meant turning towards the object, letting go of all else and then letting go of the object and turning back towards awareness.
tiltbillings wrote:See the Satipatthana Sutta.
tiltlbillings wrote:I think one needs to be very careful about trying to turn it into some more than that.
That's always good advice. Best not to turn anything into anything. The proof is in the pudding - the extent to which greed, anger and delusion are absent, to that extent one is liberated.
(I would say though that even waaay before liberation, one can have the taste of nibbana, perhaps from past cultivation or through a kind of grace, I don't know. Some of us, stupid sods, need this to keep going with this upstream practice, it seems...)
tiltlbillings wrote:We are not already awakened; we do not have some sort of nature of awakening already present within us.
To me this is just as correct as saying that we are and we have. Like Ajahn Mun says, the clouds obscure it. Or like tiltbillings says with the destruction of greed, hatred and delusion, bodhi is attained. But what is this destruction? It is insight, isn't it? Because greed, hatred and delusion are empty like a mirage or a misunderstanding, when seen through. Then the sun can shine.
Time to go to work!