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Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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I’m going public with my approach to meditation. The reason I think it’s Buddhist meditation is because I’ve confirmed all the steps with the Upanisa Sutta. The reason I put it in “Connections to other Paths” is that it was developed by my self and it uses “chakras”.

However, I do not use the term “chakra” in the traditional sense. Rather than being some divine energy centre that releases positive vibrations through the body, the chakras for me are physiological gathering points for muscles, nerves, ligatures, etc. I also view them as a gateway to the kasinas.

In particular, the videos I’ve published access the red kasina and outline its functionality and effect on the body and mind.

Here they are. Enjoy. And any and all comments are welcome. But first. The Upanisa Sutta.
"Fabrications have ignorance as their prerequisite, consciousness has fabrications as its prerequisite, name-&-form has consciousness as their prerequisite, the six sense media have name-&-form as their prerequisite, contact has the six sense media as its prerequisite, feeling has contact as its prerequisite, craving has feeling as its prerequisite, clinging has craving as its prerequisite, becoming has clinging as its prerequisite, birth has becoming as its prerequisite, stress & suffering have birth as their prerequisite, conviction has stress & suffering as its prerequisite, joy has conviction as its prerequisite, rapture has joy as its prerequisite, serenity has rapture as its prerequisite, pleasure has serenity as its prerequisite, concentration has pleasure as its prerequisite, knowledge & vision of things as they actually are present has concentration as its prerequisite, disenchantment has knowledge & vision of things as they actually are present as its prerequisite, dispassion has disenchantment as its prerequisite, release has dispassion as its prerequisite, knowledge of ending has release as its prerequisite."
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“Monk, the property of light, the property of beauty, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of space, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the property of the dimension of nothingness: These properties are to be reached as perception attainments.[2] The property of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception is to be reached as a remnant-of-fabrications attainment. The property of the cessation of feeling & perception is to be reached as a cessation attainment."[3]

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watched the vids, what would be the potential points(topics) for discussion?
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one thing is whatever you say can be understood by what faculty exactly? when you talk about color red then is this some sort of synesthesia of being able to feel colors?
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you spoke of anxiety and memory banks and root chakra. Am i right to think if there is a problem, then you can access a memory and from that memory you access root chakra. If so it then this mechanic makes sense to me and is also scientific, how body works.
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what about the term abhicetasika find in AN suttas,
https://suttacentral.net/search?query=abhicetasika wrote:PTS Pali English Dictionary
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Abhicetasika
adjective
dependent on the clearest consciousness. On the spelling see ābhic˚ (of jhāna) MN.i.33, MN.i.356; MN.iii.11; SN.ii.278; AN.ii.23; AN.v.132 (Spelt. ābhi˚ at MN.i.33; AN.iii.114; Vin.v.136). See Dial. iii.108.

abhi + ceto + ika
it seem that the jhanic state belongs to the higher mind(abhicetasika)
https://suttacentral.net/an5.179/en/sujato wrote:And what are the four blissful meditations in the present life belonging to the higher mind that they get when they want, without trouble or difficulty?
Katamesaṁ catunnaṁ ābhicetasikānaṁ diṭṭhadhammasukhavihārānaṁ nikāmalābhī hoti akicchalābhī akasiralābhī?
is the memory bank an abhicetasika? and dependent on that you access root chakra?

ps, sorry for spamming posts, but how else one could dig into what one says.
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auto wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 2:57 pm watched the vids, what would be the potential points(topics) for discussion?
Any questions on technique; definitions; why I think my methods align with transcendental dependent origination - for example.
auto wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 3:06 pm you spoke of anxiety and memory banks and root chakra. Am i right to think if there is a problem, then you can access a memory and from that memory you access root chakra. If so it then this mechanic makes sense to me and is also scientific, how body works.
Well thank you. In specific terms, I believe our memory banks are located in a certain bundle of nerves in the right hemisphere of the brain.

By releasing stress in that area, a process occurs where nervous signals from the memory banks go down to the nerves controlling the main ligatures that tend to keep the root chakra tight.

As a result, those ligatures relax and the root chakra opens.
auto wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 3:15 pm what about the term abhicetasika find in AN suttas,
https://suttacentral.net/search?query=abhicetasika wrote:PTS Pali English Dictionary
All dictionaries
Abhicetasika
adjective
dependent on the clearest consciousness. On the spelling see ābhic˚ (of jhāna) MN.i.33, MN.i.356; MN.iii.11; SN.ii.278; AN.ii.23; AN.v.132 (Spelt. ābhi˚ at MN.i.33; AN.iii.114; Vin.v.136). See Dial. iii.108.

abhi + ceto + ika
it seem that the jhanic state belongs to the higher mind(abhicetasika)
https://suttacentral.net/an5.179/en/sujato wrote:And what are the four blissful meditations in the present life belonging to the higher mind that they get when they want, without trouble or difficulty?
Katamesaṁ catunnaṁ ābhicetasikānaṁ diṭṭhadhammasukhavihārānaṁ nikāmalābhī hoti akicchalābhī akasiralābhī?
is the memory bank an abhicetasika? and dependent on that you access root chakra?

ps, sorry for spamming posts, but how else one could dig into what one says.
No worries at all. I enjoy getting attention to these vids.

“Dependent of the clearest consciousness” may refer to an “inner eye”. I use my inner eye a lot to identify parts of the body not visible to the naked eye; as well as colours.
auto wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 3:00 pm one thing is whatever you say can be understood by what faculty exactly? when you talk about color red then is this some sort of synesthesia of being able to feel colors?
My best answer would be the “inner eye”. But there certainly is a synesthesia happening here. I literally feel the colour red and it is such an elevated feeling that I am quite comfortable defining it as “sukha”.

Furthermore, the elevated feeling of colour corresponds to an experience of tranquility prior to. That relationship is consistent with transcendental dependent origination.
“Monk, the property of light, the property of beauty, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of space, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the property of the dimension of nothingness: These properties are to be reached as perception attainments.[2] The property of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception is to be reached as a remnant-of-fabrications attainment. The property of the cessation of feeling & perception is to be reached as a cessation attainment."[3]

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Pondera wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 3:05 am
auto wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 2:57 pm watched the vids, what would be the potential points(topics) for discussion?
Any questions on technique; definitions; why I think my methods align with transcendental dependent origination - for example.
auto wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 3:06 pm you spoke of anxiety and memory banks and root chakra. Am i right to think if there is a problem, then you can access a memory and from that memory you access root chakra. If so it then this mechanic makes sense to me and is also scientific, how body works.
Well thank you. In specific terms, I believe our memory banks are located in a certain bundle of nerves in the right hemisphere of the brain.

By releasing stress in that area, a process occurs where nervous signals from the memory banks go down to the nerves controlling the main ligatures that tend to keep the root chakra tight.

As a result, those ligatures relax and the root chakra opens.
If someone talks about things - describing a state then the hearer can enter them too. In example: if awareness is mentioned, then someone who hears it can know immediately what it is and knowing what it is he can enter it(become aware).
in case of awareness one can also make the distinction between the knower and what is known and make it to disappear. Its 100 percent mind based and the result of it is physical and mind will dissolve.
The reason for the above was that the ability to see something and then connect to the physical part will come after those openings. And the reason to access physical is to get 'energy' to arise or move or whatever there needs to be done to get it done, it can be done by using physical movement, seeing boobs, colors whatever really works.

In that sense i'm curios where those things what you spoke of fits in, i have read about people who can see auras and chakras and teach how to see them too, it never work on me, my mind is blank and nothing have opened up in that front, i just become aware and things are very ordinary eye is eye, what i see is what i see with the eye.
So in my case the awareness and sense of self, ability to focus upon oneself. The part where the eyes become clear like you said looking outward not inward becomes after i have dissolve the 'energy' what arose also i can draw parallel or know 'that this state used to be on that time now i could get to this by this way'.. lets say what i cultivated a year now i can do in 3 months.
Why i said the above is i notice things repeat and there is joint what forces one do something physical, point is to hold of doing them and try to get it done with mind with aforementioned way.
To say what my critical point is, you are right no doubt since you are doing it and getting results, but i have issues with it - you don't address points what could be used as basis for knowledge or lessons if what you do is the thing or not - things like if you have the elevated feeling from color red, then after it subsides can you do it again and if not why not, i have no idea how to backcheck my own guesses about what you say - it is also the reason i never understand the chakra, aura people who are gifted and doesn't know where they got that gift.
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If the inner eye doesn’t work for you, use feeling only.

Relax the bottom of your heart, notice the feeling of relaxation in your mind, notice the feeling of relaxation in your sphincter, notice the relaxation of the muscles all over your body, notice the tranquility in your mind, notice the elevated pleasure in your body, notice how your vision shifts from inward to outward.

There is no need to “see” or “feel” the colour red. It is there, but you can just go by feel.

To answer your question: yes, I can feel the colour red. Then stop. And then repeat the process again.
“Monk, the property of light, the property of beauty, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of space, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the property of the dimension of nothingness: These properties are to be reached as perception attainments.[2] The property of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception is to be reached as a remnant-of-fabrications attainment. The property of the cessation of feeling & perception is to be reached as a cessation attainment."[3]

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Pondera wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 3:48 pm If the inner eye doesn’t work for you, use feeling only.

Relax the bottom of your heart, notice the feeling of relaxation in your mind, notice the feeling of relaxation in your sphincter, notice the relaxation of the muscles all over your body, notice the tranquility in your mind, notice the elevated pleasure in your body, notice how your vision shifts from inward to outward.

There is no need to “see” or “feel” the colour red. It is there, but you can just go by feel.

To answer your question: yes, I can feel the colour red. Then stop. And then repeat the process again.
you are loosing me when you say: "bottom of your heart". Ok, you saying anxiety is there. How do you detect bottom of heart? is it by tracing where the anxiety sensation comes from?
And can you describe me the sensation of anxiety and why do you have to remove(relaxing) it?
when i have thoughts that something bad could have been happening then i might get occasional cold-like sensation in heart region. I think it is also the excitement feeling what arises before doing something thrilling. I think another term for it is angst.

In case of sphincter, the excitement or angst can get intense and cause the desire to poop(farts pressing out anyway) and focusing on some other object to get thoughts away immediately calms down and the desire to poop is gone but it comes back also immediately when i remember about the object what causes this excitement. If i hold on to not letting the poop out, i get sensation of some sort of pleasure but that isn't calm but there is calm after this storm.

The pleasure after storm what arises, pleasant warm like calm stable sensation is when this sensation what causes excitement and its physical manifestation( desire to poop etc) is subsided. But that doesn't mean the angst won't arise but for some time i am bulletproof(with armor) for it.

I have no idea for now how it is related to color red other than anxiety being cold(blue) and when you think about red(warm) it counters it and causes pleasant feeling. In this context i understand how you could repeat it but that still i think is limited, you can't do it infinite since in body there are actual elements and chemical reactions, migrations behind these sensations.
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auto wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:18 pm
Pondera wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 3:48 pm If the inner eye doesn’t work for you, use feeling only.

Relax the bottom of your heart, notice the feeling of relaxation in your mind, notice the feeling of relaxation in your sphincter, notice the relaxation of the muscles all over your body, notice the tranquility in your mind, notice the elevated pleasure in your body, notice how your vision shifts from inward to outward.

There is no need to “see” or “feel” the colour red. It is there, but you can just go by feel.

To answer your question: yes, I can feel the colour red. Then stop. And then repeat the process again.
you are loosing me when you say: "bottom of your heart". Ok, you saying anxiety is there. How do you detect bottom of heart? is it by tracing where the anxiety sensation comes from?
Exactly 😀
And can you describe me the sensation of anxiety and why do you have to remove(relaxing) it?
The sensation is like an emptiness in the heart or even an elevated heart rate - like it’s going to beat out of your chest.

The bottom of the heart is called the “apex”. This is where the main thrust of the heart beat comes from.

By relaxing the apex, anxiety is calmed.
when i have thoughts that something bad could have been happening then i might get occasional cold-like sensation in heart region. I think it is also the excitement feeling what arises before doing something thrilling. I think another term for it is angst.
This is similar to my experience of anxiety

In case of sphincter, the excitement or angst can get intense and cause the desire to poop(farts pressing out anyway) and focusing on some other object to get thoughts away immediately calms down and the desire to poop is gone but it comes back also immediately when i remember about the object what causes this excitement. If i hold on to not letting the poop out, i get sensation of some sort of pleasure but that isn't calm but there is calm after this storm.

The pleasure after storm what arises, pleasant warm like calm stable sensation is when this sensation what causes excitement and its physical manifestation( desire to poop etc) is subsided. But that doesn't mean the angst won't arise but for some time i am bulletproof(with armor) for it.
💩 by “sphincter” I mean the same muscle that allows you to poo, to urinate, and to ejaculate.

This is the “root chakra” - the nexus of sexual pleasure.
I have no idea for now how it is related to color red other than anxiety being cold(blue) and when you think about red(warm) it counters it and causes pleasant feeling. In this context i understand how you could repeat it but that still i think is limited, you can't do it infinite since in body there are actual elements and chemical reactions, migrations behind these sensations.
Simply put, the root chakra is red in colour.

Different energy frequencies have different colours. Red is the lowest. Blue is higher and is found in the throat.
“Monk, the property of light, the property of beauty, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of space, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the property of the dimension of nothingness: These properties are to be reached as perception attainments.[2] The property of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception is to be reached as a remnant-of-fabrications attainment. The property of the cessation of feeling & perception is to be reached as a cessation attainment."[3]

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Pondera wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 3:22 pm 💩 by “sphincter” I mean the same muscle that allows you to poo, to urinate, and to ejaculate.

This is the “root chakra” - the nexus of sexual pleasure.
ok, but i think "sexual pleasure" is in front side of body, property of the belly. The above mentioned things, poo, urination, ejaculation cools this energy down and thus the fire whatever goes out, energy ceases to be an alchemical element, it just implies that the element needs to be gathered at some point. And if to heat up this energy by thoughts or other sense objects, it may arouse evil fire instead and that too is going to botch the alchemical process since this can't be gathered.
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Further videos on establishing “rest” and generating “energy”.

Following the Upanisa Sutta with colour totalities described in terms of the chakra system.



“Monk, the property of light, the property of beauty, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of space, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the property of the dimension of nothingness: These properties are to be reached as perception attainments.[2] The property of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception is to be reached as a remnant-of-fabrications attainment. The property of the cessation of feeling & perception is to be reached as a cessation attainment."[3]

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