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Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:10 pm
by DAWN
A translator have no less identity than an human, perharps even more :smile: .. but actualy no, humain DNA have much more information than a translator :)

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:15 am
by drifting cloud
I don't know if it makes much sense to discuss one's "take" on nibbana if one has not attained nibbana.

I will be happy to get back to you when I have attained it. This may take me a few lifetimes. :)

In the meantime, this is how it was described by one who attained it:

"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana."

— AN 3.32

:anjali:

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:23 am
by Dan74
drifting cloud wrote:I don't know if it makes much sense to discuss one's "take" on nibbana if one has not attained nibbana.

I will be happy to get back to you when I have attained it. This may take me a few lifetimes. :)

In the meantime, this is how it was described by one who attained it:

"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana."

— AN 3.32

:anjali:
Yes, I agree. I admit I do have ideas about nibbana but I try not to put much stock into them. Even if my words perfectly match the scriptures my understanding won't.

It is tempting to map some powerful meditation experiences onto nibbana but they may just be an distant echo of the real deal or worse, a fantasy.

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:40 am
by DAWN
And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement? :)

:woohoo: :D

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:candle: :buddha1: :candle:

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:19 am
by Kusala
alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Nirvana is unconditional freedom.

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:34 am
by alan...
DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement? :)

:woohoo: :D

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:candle: :buddha1: :candle:
well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:30 am
by DAWN
alan... wrote:
DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement? :)

:woohoo: :D

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:candle: :buddha1: :candle:
well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!
Great !
Job is done :popcorn:

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If your mind tries to tell you it has already attained the level of sotapanna, go and bow to a sotapanna. He’ll tell you himself it’s all uncertain. If you meet a sakadagami, go and pay respects to him. When he sees you, he’ll simply say, "Not a sure thing!" If there’s an anagami, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you only one thing, "Uncertain!" If you meet even an arahant, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you even more firmly, "It’s all even more uncertain!" You’ll hear the words of the Noble Ones: "Everything is uncertain. Don’t cling to anything!"

Ajhan Chah :meditate:

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:08 pm
by m0rl0ck
alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Oh man, i love the easy ones :)

Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:37 pm
by Dan74
m0rl0ck wrote:
alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Oh man, i love the easy ones :)

Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.
In other words 0, since as we know samsara=nibbana ;)

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:35 pm
by m0rl0ck
Dan74 wrote:
m0rl0ck wrote:
alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Oh man, i love the easy ones :)

Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.
In other words 0, since as we know samsara=nibbana ;)
Well to misquote the lankavatara sutra: They are not the same, nor are they otherwise.

I think i remember hearing a dharma talk where the teacher said something like, "They are exactly the same, but different. :)

My understanding of samsara is that its primarily a mental disorder and that reality, our natural state, is nibbana. I suppose that reveals my mahayana tendencies :)

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:40 pm
by Dan74
Kinda like form and emptiness, 0 and infinity, Buddha and the shitstick? :o

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:43 pm
by DAWN
It's not a teaching of Buddha, but logicaly, void is condition to form, they are interdependant, like all duality. :spy:

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:46 pm
by m0rl0ck
Dan74 wrote:Kinda like form and emptiness, 0 and infinity, Buddha and the shitstick? :o
Yeah, like linchi railing against buddhism, there is no where to point away from it. :)

Re: your take on nibbana

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:35 am
by alan...
DAWN wrote:
alan... wrote:
DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement? :)

:woohoo: :D

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:candle: :buddha1: :candle:
well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!
Great !
Job is done :popcorn:

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If your mind tries to tell you it has already attained the level of sotapanna, go and bow to a sotapanna. He’ll tell you himself it’s all uncertain. If you meet a sakadagami, go and pay respects to him. When he sees you, he’ll simply say, "Not a sure thing!" If there’s an anagami, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you only one thing, "Uncertain!" If you meet even an arahant, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you even more firmly, "It’s all even more uncertain!" You’ll hear the words of the Noble Ones: "Everything is uncertain. Don’t cling to anything!"

Ajhan Chah :meditate:

nice quote!