In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:

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In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:

not applicable, there is no rebirth, it is annihilation for all
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3%
no more becoming, non-existence as we know it but not annihilation since there is no self
60
40%
existence in a buddha-field / realm
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5%
pantheism
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5%
citta continues in paranibbana
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9%
a subtle existence that is ineffable, inexpressible
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17%
don't know or agnostic about it, set-aside for now
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22%
 
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:23 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Maybe you're Buddha.
Buddha is forever gone.
He is. Well gone. Forever gone. But still among us. We don't lie about this type of thing to ourselves deep down inside.
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Mahabrahma wrote:
cappuccino wrote: Buddha is forever gone.
But still among us.
Not among us.

The teaching is temporarily here.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:26 am
Mahabrahma wrote:
cappuccino wrote: Buddha is forever gone.
But still among us.
Not among us.

The teaching is temporarily here.
I understand where you're coming from, but the Buddha's dedication to saving living beings is immense, and greatly surpasses that of an ordinary Bodhisattva, and I'm sure you know the Bodhisattva vow.
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Mahabrahma wrote:
cappuccino wrote: Not among us.

The teaching is temporarily here.
I understand where you're coming from, but the Buddhas dedication to saving living beings is immense
We save ourselves.

As if our head was on fire.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:33 am
Mahabrahma wrote:
cappuccino wrote: Not among us.

The teaching is temporarily here.
I understand where you're coming from, but the Buddhas dedication to saving living beings is immense
We must save ourselves.

By this teaching.
It's a practical Teaching and you are a True Teacher of the Dhamma. Once someone is saved while still in this world however, it is always their will to save others. Such is always the Metta of the Buddhas, despite however or whenever they decide to enter Parinirvana [whether they decide it to be in a short or immensely long time].
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:33 am We save ourselves.

As if our head was on fire.
Once we are saved, however, the flames cool, and there is work to be done.
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Mahabrahma wrote: Once we are saved, however, the flames cool, and there is work to be done.
Everyone thinks they're saved and enlightened.

Such is the nature of delusion and confusion.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:56 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Once we are saved, however, the flames cool, and there is work to be done.
Everyone thinks they're saved and enlightened.

Such is the nature of delusion and confusion.
Most people I run into who are Enlightened hold the philosophy that they're still sinners or imperfect, to maintain humility and to save others. But there is such nature of which you speak in many as well.
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No one you run into is enlightened.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:01 am No one you run into is enlightened.
You're Enlightened fully, just wake up to it in every aspect of your life.
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Mahabrahma wrote: You're Enlightened, just wake up to it in every aspect of your life.
Just?

Yes just fly. If it were so easy.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:08 am
Mahabrahma wrote: You're Enlightened, just wake up to it in every aspect of your life.
Just?

Yes just fly. If it were so easy.
You know how to fly too. But you don't fly for no reason, and in the modern world such Transcendental powers remain hidden.
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Mahabrahma wrote: You know how to fly too.
Be realistic.

Buddhism is a grounded religion.

It's about being grounded.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:11 am
Mahabrahma wrote: You know how to fly too.
Be realistic.

Buddhism is a grounded religion.

It's about being grounded.
Yet it is the religion which in it's Scriptures tends to describe the most wonderous marvels of the ancient and Transcendental world, including the amazing things the Tathagata can do, as well as those Arhats and Buddhas, Bodhisattvas and Brahma Kings who are His Disciples. With proper grounding the amazingness of this world can be truly understood and seen, and Buddhism fully has that. That is what is meant by being truly grounded.
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By grounded I mean to say, we must come to terms with reality.

As it really is, not a Buddhist fantasy.
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