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DooDoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:44 pm racist question

many westerners believe in afterlife; many western buddhist is more fundamentalist about afterlife than asian

many asians are atheists

divine eye is not related to after life

31 planes and devas, brahmas and mara is not necessarily related to afterlife

buddha defined his dhamma as visible here & now

why u not yet take true refuge?

confusedlayman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:56 pm westerners subsribe to secular buddhism.

confusedlayman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:56 pmI have taken refuge already see my signature.

sandiṭṭhiko dhammo hoti akāliko ehipassiko opaneyyiko paccattaṃ veditabbo viññūhī

the teaching visible in the here & now, immediately effective, inviting inspection, relevant, so that sensible people can know it for themselves

confusedlayman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:56 pm31 planes related to after life also, divine eye to see where they reborn after human birth ..

Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.

AN 6.39

confusedlayman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:56 pmplease read suttas .

confusedlayman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:38 pm many westerns are offsprings of christians and they all thought about heaven and hell many times due to reading bible etc..

why cant they read buddhism with 31 planes and devas, brahmas and mara? why they try to find secular buddhism without myths?

Indians were atheist from long time (charvaka followers) but in western world why they asking secular buddhism? why they dont beleive in buddhas attainment of divine eye?

when westerners subsribe to secular buddhism.

secular buddhism? why they dont beleive in buddhas attainment of divine eye?

Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:11 pm fail to realise that the Dhamma actually attacks these positions.

DooDoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:31 pm

Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:11 pm fail to realise that the Dhamma actually attacks these positions.

non-sense Dhamma = dhatu = naturalism

Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:44 pm Philosophical naturalism is a type of physicalism, as in materialism.

DooDoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:44 pm Philosophical naturalism is a type of physicalism, as in materialism.

An equivalent of the word 'materialism' appears not found in the suttas. Also, those that interpret 'jati' as physical birth appear obviously engaged in physicalism/materialism. I suggest to quote sutta rather than manufacture personal imaginary dogma claimed to be Buddha-Dhamma.

There is no such thing as alms or sacrifice or offering. There is neither fruit nor result of good or evil deeds. A human being is built up of four elements. When he dies the earthly in him returns and relapses to the earth, the fluid to the water, the heat to the fire, the wind to the air, and his faculties pass into space. The four bearers, on the bier as a fifth, take his dead body away; till they reach the burning ground, men utter forth eulogies, but there his bones are bleached, and his offerings end in ashes. It is a doctrine of fools, this talk of gifts. It is an empty lie, mere idle talk, when men say there is profit herein. Fools and wise alike, on the dissolution of the body, are cut off, annihilated, and after death they are not.

Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:06 pm confusedlayman

when westerners subsribe to secular buddhism.

In my experience, 9/10 secular Buddhists are simply left leaning/liberal secular humanists who find themsevles in the awkward position of actually agreeing with a religion.

Have you ever actually met a secular Buddhist?

And have you ever thought of leaving your political/general bias at the door of this forum. Like taking your shoes off when entering a temple.