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OCD and spiritual

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Hi guys,

Does Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) have spiritual dimension? It there any spiritual or metaphysical explanation of OCD?

Everything is karma, there will be no discussion. Only Buddha knows the exact result of karma. Generally speaking what would you say about this? Thanks
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This is discussed in considerable detail in Roman Catholicism, under the heading of scrupulosity. But I'm not aware of similar things within Buddhism.
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:13 am This is discussed in considerable detail in Roman Catholicism, under the heading of scrupulosity. But I'm not aware of similar things within Buddhism.
In Roman Catholicism, the sufferer disturbed by some kind supernatural forces, if I am not mistaken. Can you provide the reference from Roman Catholicism point of view, is it based on spiritual evidence?
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D1W1 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:45 am Hi guys,

Does Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) have spiritual dimension?
There is no mention of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" in Theravada doctrine, so this seems to be another opening post not keeping to the theme of this forum section.
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D1W1 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:18 amIn Roman Catholicism, the sufferer disturbed by some kind supernatural forces, if I am not mistaken. Can you provide the reference from Roman Catholicism point of view, is it based on spiritual evidence?
The Wiki article gives many references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrupulosity


The inofficial theory of scrupulosity in the RCC is that it is due to a lack of faith. Personally, I think this is the most plausible explanation, as far as the content of the OCD has to do with religious/spiritual themes. When a person lacks faith in religious/spiritual terms, they will sometimes try to make up for this lack, which then looks like OCD.
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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:25 amThere is no mention of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" in Theravada doctrine
Is there any mention of people who mechanically keep doing the same things, who are miserable while doing it, who are often nervous?
When the doctrine talks about extreme asceticism, is there anything that fits the description of OCD?
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:01 am
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:25 amThere is no mention of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" in Theravada doctrine
Is there any mention of people who mechanically keep doing the same things, who are miserable while doing it, who are often nervous?
The doctrine rarely deals with "people" but with phenomena called aggregates/Khandha or salayatanas.
There is the mention of a phenomenon "restlessness" which is a manifestation of ignrance and might come close to "being nervous".
binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:01 am When the doctrine talks about extreme asceticism, is there anything that fits the description of OCD?
"extreme asceticism" doesn't appear to be compatible with the middle way.
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You can train your mind through Buddhist practice to overcome what is referred to as OCD. I know it's a tough battle. Whatever you do don't give up and don't blame yourself. I simply strongly urge you to fully stay with the path of Buddhism and have full faith and Love in yourself, at all times, even and especially when you are experiencing symptoms. Om. :candle:
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I think there must be spiritual or metaphysical explanation for this. Buddhism encourages perfection or at least moral purity which is another trap for scrupulosity OCD.
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It's not OCD to achieve perfection morally, which is all Buddhism asks for ultimately.
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Though, someone with OCD can be morally perfect, and even use parts of their symptoms (the parts that fight against the negative aspects) as part of a way to get there. Though OCD is something they'd rather shed as an ailment. OCD is a type of demonic threat on the mind, or a temporary Spiritual warfare with you against the demons that are invading your thoughts. It can go away with enough Spiritual Transference from the Buddha's Love and the Buddha-Nature within you. Just because you are hurt or have demons attacking you doesn't mean you can't be perfect at the same time. Someone with OCD can definitely and totally be fully Enlightened.
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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:25 amThere is no mention of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" in Theravada doctrine,
How about attachment to rites and rituals? Theravada doctrine speaks of that.

OCD with religious/spiritual themes is a kind of attachment to rites and rituals.
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:25 amThere is no mention of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" in Theravada doctrine,
How about attachment to rites and rituals? Theravada doctrine speaks of that.
Yes but it does not speak of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder". In the section of Thervada buddhism thervada doctrine is the frame of reference.
(3) "What is the clinging to mere rules and ritual? The holding firmly to the view that through mere rules and ritual one may reach purification: this is called the clinging to mere rules and ritual.
https://www.dhammatalks.net/Buddhist.Di ... dic3_u.htm
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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:51 pmYes but it does not speak of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder".
"Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" is a relatively recent term for a phenomenon that may have been around for a very long time and which may have a different name(s) in the past.

Old religious/spiritual texts also don't speak of, for example, crystal meth, but we nowadays still class it under what the old texts call "intoxicants".
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:42 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:51 pmYes but it does not speak of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder".
"Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" is a relatively recent term for a phenomenon that may have been around for a very long time and which may have a different name(s) in the past.

Old religious/spiritual texts also don't speak of, for example, crystal meth, but we nowadays still class it under what the old texts call "intoxicants".
What are you trying to get at? I am not a moderator so what is discussed in this forum section by other users is beyond my control.
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