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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:54 pmWhat are you trying to get at?
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That in the past, probably many of the same things existed as nowadays, it's just that they had different names for them than we do nowadays.
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D1W1 wrote: Does Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) have a spiritual dimension?
people are out of control


hence they invented disorders to describe it


we need restraint
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There seems to be similarities. Obsessions about purity (germophobia), or attaching to rituals.
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:02 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:54 pmWhat are you trying to get at?
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That in the past, probably many of the same things existed as nowadays, it's just that they had different names for them than we do nowadays.
The Theravada doctrine is presently available as English texts in present day English, so there is no need to engage in your speculations. If today the world knows psychiatric illnesses and therapies for these illnesses then that's part of present day worldly knowledge which is irrelevant for this section of the forum.
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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:10 pmThe Theravada doctrine is presently available as English texts in present day English, so there is no need to engage in your speculations. If today the world knows psychiatric illnesses and therapies for these illnesses then that's part of present day worldly knowledge which is irrelevant for this section of the forum.
I'm sure there's a word for your cognitive style here.
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:12 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:10 pmThe Theravada doctrine is presently available as English texts in present day English, so there is no need to engage in your speculations. If today the world knows psychiatric illnesses and therapies for these illnesses then that's part of present day worldly knowledge which is irrelevant for this section of the forum.
I'm sure there's a word for your cognitive style here.
Maybe you are clinging to an idea of "wholism" in the sense that Theravada doctrine has to cover each and every phenomenon known in present day world. But cultivating such ideas is inappropriate. E.g. one needs to solve a problem in physics then physical science is relevant not Theravada doctrine. To heal psychiatric illnesses psychiatric and medical sciences are relevant not Theravada doctrine.
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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:21 pmMaybe you are clinging to an idea of "wholism" in the sense that Theravada doctrine has to cover each and every phenomenon known in present day world. But cultivating such ideas is inappropriate. E.g. one needs to solve a problem in physics then physical science is relevant not Theravada doctrine. To heal psychiatric illnesses psychiatric and medical sciences are relevant not Theravada doctrine.
Uh. I think it would be strange if a religious/spiritual doctrine would not have a section describing and analyzing the ways in which said doctrine is sometimes misunderstood and misapplied by people. There are patterns in how people go wrong in regard to religion/spirituality, and from what I've seen, religious/spiritual doctrines address that.
To heal psychiatric illnesses psychiatric and medical sciences are relevant
That's an extremely narrow and institutionalized view.

I maintain that OCD with religious/spiritual themes (scrupulosity) is primarily a religious/spiritual problem, not a psychiatric one.
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:29 pm I maintain that OCD with religious/spiritual themes (scrupulosity) is primarily a religious/spiritual problem, not a psychiatric one.
You are free to hold any view you like but any view one likes isn't the theme of this forum section.
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binocular wrote:
Scrupulous individuals are overly concerned that something they thought or did might be a sin or other violation of religious or moral doctrine.
the concern is warranted


because it's very easy to find yourself in hell
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binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:02 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:54 pmWhat are you trying to get at?
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That in the past, probably many of the same things existed as nowadays, it's just that they had different names for them than we do nowadays.
Maybe it can be called clinging or obsession. Some people say old soul who wandering very long time tend to have this problem. Many people cling but they don't develop such problem
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:07 pm
D1W1 wrote: Does Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) have a spiritual dimension?
people are out of control


hence they invented disorders to describe it


we need restraint
Everybody out of control don't you think so? We are out of control in one way or the other. We can obsessed just about everything but not everybody has ocd
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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:21 pm
binocular wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:12 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:10 pmThe Theravada doctrine is presently available as English texts in present day English, so there is no need to engage in your speculations. If today the world knows psychiatric illnesses and therapies for these illnesses then that's part of present day worldly knowledge which is irrelevant for this section of the forum.
I'm sure there's a word for your cognitive style here.
Maybe you are clinging to an idea of "wholism" in the sense that Theravada doctrine has to cover each and every phenomenon known in present day world. But cultivating such ideas is inappropriate. E.g. one needs to solve a problem in physics then physical science is relevant not Theravada doctrine. To heal psychiatric illnesses psychiatric and medical sciences are relevant not Theravada doctrine.
This is not about Mahayana discussion or other religion. Theravada has spiritual dimension, the same thing with physical or non physical phenomenon, if you are aware of it.
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D1W1 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:07 pm This is not about Mahayana discussion or other religion.
And its not about psychiatry which is why this thread is outside the theme of the forum section "General Theravada discussion" and has rightly been moved. But it might also be discussed in a section called 'connection to worldly science' if there were such a section.
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I think I read somewhere someone suffers from OCD got cured after performing certain religious activity. But certainly not after taking psychiatrist medicine. I there IS certainly another another dimension of OCD.

I am not sure if this forum has changed. Being a member of this forum for relatively long time people talk a lot of things in General Theravada Discussion. We can't keep creating sub-forum to cover all topics.
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Re: OCD and spiritual

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Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder in which a person feels the need to perform certain routines repeatedly (called "compulsions"), or has certain thoughts repeatedly (called "obsessions").[1] The person is unable to control either the thoughts or activities for more than a short period of time.[1] Common compulsions include hand washing, counting of things, and checking to see if a door is locked.[1] Some may have difficulty throwing things out.[1] These activities occur to such a degree that the person's daily life is negatively affected,[1] often taking up more than an hour a day.[2] Most adults realize that the behaviors do not make sense.[1] The condition is associated with tics, anxiety disorder, and an increased risk of suicide.[2][3]
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Treatment involves psychotherapy, such as cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), and sometimes antidepressants, such as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) or clomipramine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive ... e_disorder
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