Renunciation, Catholic-style.

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Renunciation, Catholic-style.

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It's not up to us to believe in God, but only not to grant our love to false gods.
- Simone Weil, Catholic philosopher.
not to believe that the future is a place capable of fulfilling us. The future is made of the same stuff as the present. We well know that what we have that is good, wealth, power, esteem, knowledge, love of those we love, prosperity of those we love, and so on, does not suffice to satisfy us. But we believe that the day when we will have a little more, we will be satisfied. We believe it because we are lying to ourselves. For if we really think about it for a while we know it's false. Or again if we are suffering affliction, we believe that the day when this suffering will cease, we will be satisfied. There again we know it's untrue; as soon as we have gotten used to the cessation of suffering we want something else.
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It would be wise for Buddhists interested to understand this is the core of the Christian Approach:
The Greatest Commandment
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
-Matthew 22, verses 34-40.

But you know, renunciation in the Church is often similar to Buddhist renunciation, and there are some very high Spiritual Practitioners who do very much good for this world. If we take Spiritual Life seriously, we will be able to work together in this world and build a community of faithful followers who will one day be able to open their hearts directly to the Buddha's Dhamma, especially if we accept their faith as relevant and True as well.
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Sam Vara wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:26 pm
It's not up to us to believe in God, but only not to grant our love to false gods.
- Simone Weil, Catholic philosopher.
not to believe that the future is a place capable of fulfilling us. The future is made of the same stuff as the present. We well know that what we have that is good, wealth, power, esteem, knowledge, love of those we love, prosperity of those we love, and so on, does not suffice to satisfy us. But we believe that the day when we will have a little more, we will be satisfied. We believe it because we are lying to ourselves. For if we really think about it for a while we know it's false. Or again if we are suffering affliction, we believe that the day when this suffering will cease, we will be satisfied. There again we know it's untrue; as soon as we have gotten used to the cessation of suffering we want something else.
Did he mean that believe in true God end suffering?
How do we know what is true and what is a false god?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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SarathW wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:42 am Did he mean that believe in true God end suffering?
How do we know what is true and what is a false god?
It is widely preached that God is Love.
God Is Love

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
-1 John 4, verses 7-9.

So if it is of Love, then it is of God. That is why we can unmistakakingly say that Buddhism and Gotama's Teachings are of God.
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SarathW wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:42 am
Did he mean that believe in true God end suffering?
How do we know what is true and what is a false god?
She didn't mean that in this passage, which is just about renouncing false gods; knowing them to be incapable of satisfying human needs. From what she wrote elsewhere, she probably did think that the "true God" ends our suffering. But what I like about the first sentence is the idea that we don't even need to seek that true God. Often Christians are keen on telling us to do that, and her restraint in that I find quite lovable.

She says that we can know what false gods are after a moment's reflection. Will they bring us permanent satisfaction?
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