Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition

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Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition

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confusedlayman wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:58 pm
One of the reasons why living forever in this universe is unattractive. Eventually you will be just sat on a barren planet in the cold, dark nothingness of space for all eternity unable to escape. That is of course unless dark energy keeps on accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe to the point where even atoms themselves are ripped apart, The Big Rip, leaving nothing but an eternal sea of sub-atomic particles floating in the darkness of space.
Saññāvirattassa na santi ganthā,
Paññāvimuttassa na santi mohā;
Saññañca diṭṭhiñca ye aggahesuṃ,
Te ghaṭṭayantā vicaranti loke”ti.


“For one detached from perception, there exist no ties,
for one by wisdom freed, no delusions are there,
but those who have grasped perceptions and views,
they wander the world stirring up strife."


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Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:58 pm
One of the reasons why living forever in this universe is unattractive. Eventually you will be just sat on a barren planet in the cold, dark nothingness of space for all eternity unable to escape. That is of course unless dark energy keeps on accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe to the point where even atoms themselves are ripped apart, The Big Rip, leaving nothing but an eternal sea of sub-atomic particles floating in the darkness of space.
yes, the play and music and dance of universe comes to standstill..

i am convinced that astetics in past spoke of destruction and new formation of universive.. feel sad how they would have felt when seeing universe come to end face to face using divine eye
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I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
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Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
:rofl:

It is frustrating. I did want to go on retreat this year.
Saññāvirattassa na santi ganthā,
Paññāvimuttassa na santi mohā;
Saññañca diṭṭhiñca ye aggahesuṃ,
Te ghaṭṭayantā vicaranti loke”ti.


“For one detached from perception, there exist no ties,
for one by wisdom freed, no delusions are there,
but those who have grasped perceptions and views,
they wander the world stirring up strife."


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Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:18 pm It is frustrating. I did want to go on retreat this year.
Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
I was trapped in a monastery for six months because of Covid. I only intended to go for 2 months but then the pandemic hit, and it was real difficult to cross the borders to fly back to my own country.
There are much worse places to be trapped eh!
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Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...


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JamesTheGiant wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:21 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:18 pm It is frustrating. I did want to go on retreat this year.
Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
I was trapped in a monastery for six months because of Covid. I only intended to go for 2 months but then the pandemic hit, and it was real difficult to cross the borders to fly back to my own country.
There are much worse places to be trapped eh!
Good timing, James...

Luckily we can still run retreats here...

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JamesTheGiant wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:21 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:18 pm It is frustrating. I did want to go on retreat this year.
Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
I was trapped in a monastery for six months because of Covid. I only intended to go for 2 months but then the pandemic hit, and it was real difficult to cross the borders to fly back to my own country.
There are much worse places to be trapped eh!
That actually sounds like a bonus to me.
Saññāvirattassa na santi ganthā,
Paññāvimuttassa na santi mohā;
Saññañca diṭṭhiñca ye aggahesuṃ,
Te ghaṭṭayantā vicaranti loke”ti.


“For one detached from perception, there exist no ties,
for one by wisdom freed, no delusions are there,
but those who have grasped perceptions and views,
they wander the world stirring up strife."


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Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:33 pm One of the reasons why living forever in this universe is unattractive. Eventually you will be just sat on a barren planet in the cold, dark nothingness of space for all eternity unable to escape.
The escape being ... nibbana without remainder?
Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:33 pm That is of course unless dark energy keeps on accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe to the point where even atoms themselves are ripped apart, The Big Rip, leaving nothing but an eternal sea of sub-atomic particles floating in the darkness of space.
So has it always been, again and again.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:18 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
:rofl:

It is frustrating. I did want to go on retreat this year.
Isn't locked in your home like a retreat?
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SarathW wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:13 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:18 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:11 pm I'm just hoping that in a hundred trillion years I will be able to dispense with a face mask and go to the monastery again. But my government is not giving me much cause for hope...
:rofl:

It is frustrating. I did want to go on retreat this year.
Isn't locked in your home like a retreat?
:tongue:
I suppose it can be lol
Saññāvirattassa na santi ganthā,
Paññāvimuttassa na santi mohā;
Saññañca diṭṭhiñca ye aggahesuṃ,
Te ghaṭṭayantā vicaranti loke”ti.


“For one detached from perception, there exist no ties,
for one by wisdom freed, no delusions are there,
but those who have grasped perceptions and views,
they wander the world stirring up strife."


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Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:58 pm
One of the reasons why living forever in this universe is unattractive. Eventually you will be just sat on a barren planet in the cold, dark nothingness of space for all eternity unable to escape. That is of course unless dark energy keeps on accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe to the point where even atoms themselves are ripped apart, The Big Rip, leaving nothing but an eternal sea of sub-atomic particles floating in the darkness of space.
So I take it you don't believe the universe will contract like the suttas say?

Btw, a recent noble prize physics winner discovered that a universe existed before the big bang.
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coconut wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:12 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:33 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:58 pm
One of the reasons why living forever in this universe is unattractive. Eventually you will be just sat on a barren planet in the cold, dark nothingness of space for all eternity unable to escape. That is of course unless dark energy keeps on accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe to the point where even atoms themselves are ripped apart, The Big Rip, leaving nothing but an eternal sea of sub-atomic particles floating in the darkness of space.
So I take it you don't believe the universe will contract like the suttas say?

Btw, a recent noble prize physics winner discovered that a universe existed before the big bang.
From a strictly scientific point of view, based on the current scientific theory this universe isn’t cyclical.
Btw, a recent noble prize physics winner discovered that a universe existed before the big bang.
Unlikely since that isn’t part of the standard cosmological theory. We haven’t been able to see past the Big Bang yet. Our physics is incomplete and so the laws as we know them break down at the singularity. It’s called a singularity because we don’t know anything about it, like the centre of black holes. That’s of course if there even was something before the Big Bang.
Saññāvirattassa na santi ganthā,
Paññāvimuttassa na santi mohā;
Saññañca diṭṭhiñca ye aggahesuṃ,
Te ghaṭṭayantā vicaranti loke”ti.


“For one detached from perception, there exist no ties,
for one by wisdom freed, no delusions are there,
but those who have grasped perceptions and views,
they wander the world stirring up strife."


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The big bang isn't necessarily "ex nihilo," so to speak. There are asymmetries in the cosmic background radiation that suggest we are expanding "into something," perhaps the remnants of the last cosmos(!). This is obviously speculative. Artifacts like the "great attractor" suggest that a) reality is not uniform, like many find intuitive, and b) the "universe" is not expanding out in all directions equally into a void, among other possibilities.
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