cant control in real life

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if dream and real life are same like, why cant i fly in real life but can in lucid dream?

whats the reason> ??
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.....“dream” and the so called “real life” isn’t the same.....you’ve already confirmed it as a “dream”.....because you have awaken from it.

....”real life” isn’t real either.....the only reason you call it real is because you haven’t awaken from it either!.....hence under delusion.

It’s like being tricked by a psychopath until you personally discover it.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm if dream and real life are same like, why cant i fly in real life but can in lucid dream?

whats the reason> ??
Dreams and real life are not the same, and that's the proof it right there. In dreams you can fly, in real life you can't.
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Since this is connection to other paths, the illusory body training from the Six Yogas of Naropa applies. It is impure illusory body when you are in the fake it stage. All perceptions are dream-like, whether you are asleep or awake. Eventually you reach the pure illusory body stage where you don't have to fake it. It leads to developing dream and sleep yogas and the clear light of sleep.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm if dream and real life are same like, why cant i fly in real life but can in lucid dream?

whats the reason> ??
Where did you get the idea that dreams and real life are the same?
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understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
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The perceptions of dream and real life are processed the same in the brain. This makes it hard to know dreams as dreaming while they happen.
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Inedible wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:51 pm The perceptions of dream and real life are processed the same in the brain. This makes it hard to know dreams as dreaming while they happen.
All that gives you is Epistemological Idealism. There is still a difference between a dream and the waking state. Dreams are more chaotic. The waking state is more ordered.
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The thing about practice is that you have to focus on direct experience. Like when you watch someone leave the room, you know the person is still there. It is one of the earliest things a developing baby learns. But now if you are being mindfully aware you only have the visual perception of watching a person go out of the room. Maybe hearing persists for some time. But you don't have direct perception of the person unless you have the divine eye already. Maybe it is valid, but you should know when you are perceiving and when you are drawing conclusions.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm if dream and real life are same


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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm if dream and real life are same
they are not. dreaming is 1 sense door. real life is 6 sense doors. therefore, the other questions asked are non-sequitur :smile:
SteRo wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:41 am :roll:
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DooDoot wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:50 am
confusedlayman wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm if dream and real life are same
they are not. dreaming is 1 sense door. real life is 6 sense doors. therefore, the other questions asked are non-sequitur :smile:
SteRo wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:41 am :roll:
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Ok but the decision making and so on are similar process?
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Lucid dreaming is when you are dreaming and you know that you are dreaming....what is it called when you are dreaming and you consider if you are dreaming and you decide that you are not dreaming? This happens.
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chownah wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:48 am Lucid dreaming is when you are dreaming and you know that you are dreaming....what is it called when you are dreaming and you consider if you are dreaming and you decide that you are not dreaming? This happens.
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I experience it most nights. Its pretty cool.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm if dream and real life are same like, why cant i fly in real life but can in lucid dream?

whats the reason> ??
You can't fly in real life.

It's easy to "fly" with the mind made body (astral body), but moving your physical form body is hard. Only the Buddha could do that.

There are many monks who can go to heaven with their astral bodies, but not many who can teleport their physical bodies. I think Moggallana was the only other person who could do that aside from the Buddha.


Here is an astral projections teacher's interpretation of DN2

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