Are the Mahāyāna "sutras" such as Shurangama Sutra real Buddha's teaching?

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Re: Are the Mahāyāna "sutras" such as Shurangama Sutra real Buddha's teaching?

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Coëmgenu wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:49 pm I've never read the section in question, but I had believed that in Katthavatthu there was a debate with Andhrakas who thought that the external world was determined by karma and the Theravadins rejected this.
Yes, at the Third Council the Theravādins went quite strongly for "karmic minimalism". That is, in the dozen or so debates on whether such-&-such was caused by the ripening of past kamma, Moggalliputtatissa's answer was always no.

Is the earth caused by kamma? (Moggalli vs the Andhakas)
https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/kv7.7

Is sound caused by kamma? (Moggalli vs the Mahāsanghikas)
https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/kv12.3

Is everything caused by kamma? (Moggalli vs the Rājagirikas and Siddhatthikas)
https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/kv17.3

Can kamma make one fall away from arahantship? (Moggalli vs the Pubbaseliyas and Sammitīyas)
https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/kv8.11

Etc., etc.
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Re: Are the Mahāyāna "sutras" such as Shurangama Sutra real Buddha's teaching?

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