based on his hairdo, who cares what he says?
Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
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That’s DOCTOR Steve Brule you’re talking about ya hunk! Better watch it, or Brule ‘l spank your bottom Cherry red!
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Is this a quote from the words of the Buddha, or personal prejudice about someone's appearance?plabit wrote:based on his hairdo, who cares what he says?
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Can we accept Secular Buddhism as valid Buddhism on the basis (in line with) of Sutta "A Safe Bet"?
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
we can accept Secular Buddhism as valid Buddhism , but not true dhamma-vinaya .
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
I don't know who you're thinking of when you say "we" (and it makes a huge difference) but, for what it's worth, the Safe Bet sutra*SarathW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:33 am Can we accept Secular Buddhism as valid Buddhism on the basis (in line with) of Sutta "A Safe Bet"?
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
is one of my favourites.
And I don't call myself a Secular Buddhist but I do have rationalist tendencies.
Kim
*The forum software's auto-correct function doesn't like "sutta", which is a bit odd. It doesn't let me type "dhamma", either, unless I go back and fix its correction
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Greetings,
Metta,
Paul.
I'm guessing you're on a cell phone, or have some fancy add-on in your browser, because that's certainly not native to the forum software.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
No and no, and I am now baffled.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:27 am Greetings,
I'm guessing you're on a cell phone, or have some fancy add-on in your browser, because that's certainly not native to the forum software.
Metta,
Paul.
For the record, I'm using Safari, with no extensions at all, on an old iMac running OSX 10.12.x.
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Don't worry, he's not a real person, it's a fictional character (I didn't know either, I had to look it up).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_It_ ... teve_Brule
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I assumed he was one of the guys from Ancient Aliens.DNS wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:27 pmDon't worry, he's not a real person, it's a fictional character (I didn't know either, I had to look it up).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_It_ ... teve_Brule
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Then it will most likely be Safari's in-built spelling checker that's causing the trouble. If you dislike its intrusion, it can be disabled in the Edit menu.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Thanks. I did work that out but didn't want to take the thread OT again to say so.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:25 amThen it will most likely be Safari's in-built spelling checker that's causing the trouble. If you dislike its intrusion, it can be disabled in the Edit menu.
Kim
Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
I wanted to ask about different types of Buddhist followers and a quick search pointed to this tread, which had answers.SarathW wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:52 am Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
There are many kind of Buddhist schools. Mahayana, Theravada, Ambdekar, Secular etc.
The question is what is the minimum standard to accept as Buddhist teaching?
- Is that the members take three refuges?
- Is it that the school follows Tipitaka?
- Can I pick and chose and make a new Buddhist school
- If I don't know or understand Kamma Vipaka, rebirth Nibbana, etc can I drop them and make a new school?
- Do secular Buddhist follow Tipitaka or some sort of reference point (book)?
- At what point it could be heretical?
Thank you all for discussing this topic, I gained some knowledge out of all your posts.
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
'Secular Buddhism' is not a form of Buddhism. Firstly because it does not descend from any established monastic lineage that goes back all the way to the Buddha.
There are some features that are required to make a doctrine a form of Buddhism. Belief in rebirth and karma are two of those important aspects which are common to all traditional forms of Buddhism.
We cant say that we are following the teachings of Buddha according to our own schools of Buddhism if we choose to follow aspects which the Buddha clearly spoke out against.
The Samannaphala Sutta (DN 2) shows how Buddha explains about 6 wrong views which existed in Ancient India, three of them are included withing secular Buddhism. Secular Buddhism tends to align itself with materialism, ammoralism and agnosticism - all such beliefs existed in Ancient India which the Buddha clearly rejected.
There are some features that are required to make a doctrine a form of Buddhism. Belief in rebirth and karma are two of those important aspects which are common to all traditional forms of Buddhism.
We cant say that we are following the teachings of Buddha according to our own schools of Buddhism if we choose to follow aspects which the Buddha clearly spoke out against.
The Samannaphala Sutta (DN 2) shows how Buddha explains about 6 wrong views which existed in Ancient India, three of them are included withing secular Buddhism. Secular Buddhism tends to align itself with materialism, ammoralism and agnosticism - all such beliefs existed in Ancient India which the Buddha clearly rejected.
- Amoralism - denial of karma by Purana Kassapa
Materialism - denial of rebirth by Ajitha Kesakambhali
Agnosticism - suspension of belief by Sanjaya Bellattiputta
“When one does not understand death, life can be very confusing.” - Ajahn Chah
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Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Buddhism is in two forms of only - Theravada and Mahayana (where Vajayana comes under Mahayana).
Here are the basic points common to all forms of Buddhism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_poi ... 1y%C4%81na
Here are the basic points common to all forms of Buddhism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_poi ... 1y%C4%81na
“When one does not understand death, life can be very confusing.” - Ajahn Chah