Did this modern Russian God create an early Buddhist commune in Siberia???

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Did this modern Russian God create an early Buddhist commune in Siberia???

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Looks very much like it...

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How is that Buddhist? It appears to be a Christian-based cult.
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DNS wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 11:16 pm How is that Buddhist? It appears to be a Christian-based cult.
But it appears to be very Buddhist, just listen to what the leader (God) says...
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sphairos wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 11:23 pm
DNS wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 11:16 pm How is that Buddhist? It appears to be a Christian-based cult.
But it appears to be very Buddhist, just listen to what the leader (God) says...
Okay, watched it. And still don't see anything Buddhist. He believes in reincarnation, UFOs, that aliens are soulless or something like that, but still very Christian; that he's the reincarnation of Jesus, Mary is his mother, there will be an apocalypse. More info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion

I can see why people can get attracted to that; a sense of community, a sort of commune, beautiful forest backgrounds, escape from the rat-race, etc.

It appears he may already be in trouble?
On 22 September 2020, Russian authorities arrested Vissarion on charges of running an illegal religious organisation, possible physical harm to others, and extortion. He was apprehended by the FSB and Russian police, and taken to Novosibirsk central district court, along with two aides, Vadim Redkin and Vladimir Vedernikov.[7][4]

Torop rejected his first wife and married a nineteen-year-old who had lived with him since she was a girl of seven. He has six children from the two marriages.[15]

Vissarion has a younger half-sister, Irina. Though he has a biological mother named Nadyezhda, Vissarion considers Mary, mother of Jesus, as his own mother.[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion
One of the youtube comments:

“Do not try to be superior among the people around you” -guy who thinks he’s Jesus
:lol:
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DNS wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 12:02 am
sphairos wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 11:23 pm
DNS wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 11:16 pm How is that Buddhist? It appears to be a Christian-based cult.
But it appears to be very Buddhist, just listen to what the leader (God) says...
Okay, watched it. And still don't see anything Buddhist. He believes in reincarnation, UFOs, that aliens are soulless or something like that, but still very Christian; that he's the reincarnation of Jesus, Mary is his mother, there will be an apocalypse. More info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion

I can see why people can get attracted to that; a sense of community, a sort of commune, beautiful forest backgrounds, escape from the rat-race, etc.

It appears he may already be in trouble?
On 22 September 2020, Russian authorities arrested Vissarion on charges of running an illegal religious organisation, possible physical harm to others, and extortion. He was apprehended by the FSB and Russian police, and taken to Novosibirsk central district court, along with two aides, Vadim Redkin and Vladimir Vedernikov.[7][4]

Torop rejected his first wife and married a nineteen-year-old who had lived with him since she was a girl of seven. He has six children from the two marriages.[15]

Vissarion has a younger half-sister, Irina. Though he has a biological mother named Nadyezhda, Vissarion considers Mary, mother of Jesus, as his own mother.[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion
One of the youtube comments:

“Do not try to be superior among the people around you” -guy who thinks he’s Jesus
:lol:
The Buddha perhaps is born from Krishna, and the Krishna from Buddha...
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:zzz:
The spotless mind,
the most highly pure, the tranquil,
all unspoiled phenomena supporting,
this name applying to the consciousness of the Tathāgata.

A bodhisattva, one of two vehicles, an ordinary person:
these are thrones which hold seeds subject to germination.
In acquiring the virtuous pure mind of a Buddha,
which is resolute suchness, the sūtra says:

The Tathāgata's spotless mind
is a pure place without outflows.
It is liberation from all bondage.
It is like a spherical mirror.
It is consciousness always in internal agreement.

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Coëmgenu wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 6:33 pm:zzz:
Why r u sleeping? It's very religious, as you like!
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I'm sure that you think that the sect you posted concerning is the true epitome of what is "religion."
The spotless mind,
the most highly pure, the tranquil,
all unspoiled phenomena supporting,
this name applying to the consciousness of the Tathāgata.

A bodhisattva, one of two vehicles, an ordinary person:
these are thrones which hold seeds subject to germination.
In acquiring the virtuous pure mind of a Buddha,
which is resolute suchness, the sūtra says:

The Tathāgata's spotless mind
is a pure place without outflows.
It is liberation from all bondage.
It is like a spherical mirror.
It is consciousness always in internal agreement.

(T1585.13a19 Vijñaptimātratāsiddhiśāstra)
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:19 pm I'm sure that you think that the sect you posted concerning is the true epitome of what is "religion."
I think it's Real Buddhism!!!
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I'll take that as confirmation of my beliefs.

Is that Buddhism too? :o
The spotless mind,
the most highly pure, the tranquil,
all unspoiled phenomena supporting,
this name applying to the consciousness of the Tathāgata.

A bodhisattva, one of two vehicles, an ordinary person:
these are thrones which hold seeds subject to germination.
In acquiring the virtuous pure mind of a Buddha,
which is resolute suchness, the sūtra says:

The Tathāgata's spotless mind
is a pure place without outflows.
It is liberation from all bondage.
It is like a spherical mirror.
It is consciousness always in internal agreement.

(T1585.13a19 Vijñaptimātratāsiddhiśāstra)
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sphairos wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:46 pm Looks very much like it...
Care to elaborate?
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm I'll take that as confirmation of my beliefs.

Is that Buddhism too? :o
But I am surprized you didn't get all excited about all that Religious stuff that you like so much! It is about a God!...
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Bundokji wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 8:36 pm
sphairos wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:46 pm Looks very much like it...
Care to elaborate?
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sphairos wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 12:03 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm I'll take that as confirmation of my beliefs.

Is that Buddhism too? :o
But I am surprized you didn't get all excited about all that Religious stuff that you like so much! It is about a God!...
It takes a special troll to hate something yet spend ~4 years studying it at some unfortunate university. I can't imagine what grading your papers would have been like. Any to share with us? One on how Buddhism is very special and not a religion because religions are for simple ancient people and Buddhism isn't for simple ancient people? I'm sure that's a scholarly assessment from you and writing a paper on that wouldn't have gotten rejected as a topic available for you to write some paper on. (This is sarcasm.)
The spotless mind,
the most highly pure, the tranquil,
all unspoiled phenomena supporting,
this name applying to the consciousness of the Tathāgata.

A bodhisattva, one of two vehicles, an ordinary person:
these are thrones which hold seeds subject to germination.
In acquiring the virtuous pure mind of a Buddha,
which is resolute suchness, the sūtra says:

The Tathāgata's spotless mind
is a pure place without outflows.
It is liberation from all bondage.
It is like a spherical mirror.
It is consciousness always in internal agreement.

(T1585.13a19 Vijñaptimātratāsiddhiśāstra)
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Coëmgenu wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 3:29 pm
sphairos wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 12:03 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm I'll take that as confirmation of my beliefs.

Is that Buddhism too? :o
But I am surprized you didn't get all excited about all that Religious stuff that you like so much! It is about a God!...
It takes a special troll to hate something yet spend ~4 years studying it at some unfortunate university. I can't imagine what grading your papers would have been like. Any to share with us? One on how Buddhism is very special and not a religion because religions are for simple ancient people and Buddhism isn't for simple ancient people? I'm sure that's a scholarly assessment from you and writing a paper on that wouldn't have gotten rejected as a topic available for you to write some paper on. (This is sarcasm.)
Don't forget, you failed miserably to provide a viable, scholarly acceptable definition of religion -- even Christianity, a religion par excellence, you can't define acceptably! You surely would have failed in any academic effort, had you ever dared to take one :lol:

It's difficult, it needs thinking, not just blindly reiterating some ancient religious superstitions which don't have anything to do with the matter (Buddhism) itself. :lol:
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