Let's assume you can create anew,wouldn't you need omnipotence?

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Let's assume you can create anew,wouldn't you need omnipotence?

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To create something anew wouldn't you need omnipotence ?how can a atom die out or a mind die out and a new one takes it's place out of nothing ?and if it were that the atom or mind died out only when it's successor has arisen there would be confused experience and the atom or mind would still need to be omnipotent right ?
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Re: Let's assume you can create anew,wouldn't you need omnipotence?

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not sure what you're asking


perhaps the question is best set aside


focus on the essential
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Re: Let's assume you can create anew,wouldn't you need omnipotence?

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Tutareture wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:12 pm To create something anew wouldn't you need omnipotence ?how can a atom die out or a mind die out and a new one takes it's place out of nothing ?and if it were that the atom or mind died out only when it's successor has arisen there would be confused experience and the atom or mind would still need to be omnipotent right ?
What? :lol:
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Re: Let's assume you can create anew,wouldn't you need omnipotence?

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Tutareture wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:12 pm To create something anew wouldn't you need omnipotence ?
No. One would only need the power to create something anew, which need not co-exist with omnipotence. Computers, for example, create images and the illusion of motion anew whenever imaging software is used - but computers are not omnipotent. Nor, according to the Christians' scriptures, is YHWH their god, who is said to be incapable of lying: Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18. Therefore, in arguing for an omnipotent creator, you are arguing against Christianity.
Tutareture wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:12 pm how can a atom die out or a mind die out and a new one takes it's place out of nothing ?
1. It does not arise from nothing. Rather, it arises due to causes and conditions. No uncreated creator god is necessary - and to argue otherwise is appealing to the god of the gaps, which is a logical fallacy.
Tutareture wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:12 pm and if it were that the atom or mind died out only when it's successor has arisen there would be confused experience and the atom or mind would still need to be omnipotent right ?
Why should we believe that experience is not confused? Why should we believe that an atom or mind would need to be omnipotent? Furthermore, even if it be assumed that an atom or mind would need to be omnipotent, such an atom or mind would not be identical to an alleged uncreated creator god - rather, such an an atom or mind could be said to have arisen naturally within the universe, just like Einstein or powerful macines.
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I'm afraid trying to meld quantum physics with the dhamma is problematic despite some interesting attempts.
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