Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

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SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:54 pm
Zenny wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:14 pm
SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:56 pm

Why then stick to the idea of "Siddharthas teachings" at all?
Because he has real teachings. For honesty I credit Siddhartha as a great man and teacher.
Read my signature.
I see. Maybe only psychotherapy can show a way out of that obsession.

Try reading. Maybe you could actually make a pertinent comment rather than your normal procrustean strawman cliche.
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Zenny wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 pm
SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:54 pm
Zenny wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:14 pm

Because he has real teachings. For honesty I credit Siddhartha as a great man and teacher.
Read my signature.
I see. Maybe only psychotherapy can show a way out of that obsession.

Try reading. Maybe you could actually make a pertinent comment rather than your normal procrustean strawman cliche.
See ... whether "self" or "truth" or "Siddhartha's teaching" ... it always boils down to you taking your subjective experience to be independent reality ... :shrug:
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Q : how do you know you are 'always there'
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SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:13 pm
Zenny wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 pm
SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:54 pm

I see. Maybe only psychotherapy can show a way out of that obsession.

Try reading. Maybe you could actually make a pertinent comment rather than your normal procrustean strawman cliche.
See ... whether "self" or "truth" or "Siddhartha's teaching" ... it always boils down to you taking your subjective experience to be independent reality ... :shrug:

Well,to those who know,reality is Subjective and always has been.
The trick is,Subjectivity is also Intersubjective.
If you understand Subjectivity and intersubjectivity being one you won't have a problem. Otherwise its uncertainty,skepticism and agnosticism all the way down.
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sunnat wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:52 pm Q : how do you know you are 'always there'
The same way that I know I breathe or exist.
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sunnat wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:52 pm Q : how do you know you are 'always there'
Nobody knows that but some do believe that based on thinking they're always there.
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Zenny wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:45 am
SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:13 pm
Zenny wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 pm

Try reading. Maybe you could actually make a pertinent comment rather than your normal procrustean strawman cliche.
See ... whether "self" or "truth" or "Siddhartha's teaching" ... it always boils down to you taking your subjective experience to be independent reality ... :shrug:

Well,to those who know,...
What is the basis of the impression of "knowing [this or that]"?
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SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:13 am
Zenny wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:45 am
SteRo wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:13 pm

See ... whether "self" or "truth" or "Siddhartha's teaching" ... it always boils down to you taking your subjective experience to be independent reality ... :shrug:

Well,to those who know,...
What is the basis of the impression of "knowing [this or that]"?
The same for knowing anything.
Do you know you are called steRo on this forum or are you agnostic on that?
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SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:12 am
sunnat wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:52 pm Q : how do you know you are 'always there'
Nobody knows that but some do believe that based on thinking they're always there.
Thinking and knowing are many times the same thing.
My name is Zenny,and I Know that.
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Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:57 am
SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:13 am
Zenny wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:45 am

Well,to those who know,...
What is the basis of the impression of "knowing [this or that]"?
The same for knowing anything.
And that's what?
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:57 am Do you know you are called steRo on this forum or are you agnostic on that?
Since there is suspension of judgement as to existence of self there is suspension of judgment as to everything that might be related with self.
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Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:59 am
SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:12 am
sunnat wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:52 pm Q : how do you know you are 'always there'
Nobody knows that but some do believe that based on thinking they're always there.
Thinking and knowing are many times the same thing.
"Many times" are not "all times", right? So when thinking is knowing and when thinking is not knowing according to your belief?
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:59 am
My name is Zenny,and I Know that.
That might be an expression of your thinking, fine.
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SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:01 pm
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:57 am
SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:13 am
What is the basis of the impression of "knowing [this or that]"?
The same for knowing anything.
And that's what?
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:57 am Do you know you are called steRo on this forum or are you agnostic on that?
Since there is suspension of judgement as to existence of self there is suspension of judgment as to everything that might be related with self.

Judgement are self are inseparable.
If you claim suspension of judgement,that is still a judgement.
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SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:05 pm
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:59 am
SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:12 am

Nobody knows that but some do believe that based on thinking they're always there.
Thinking and knowing are many times the same thing.
"Many times" are not "all times", right? So when thinking is knowing and when thinking is not knowing according to your belief?
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:59 am
My name is Zenny,and I Know that.
That might be an expression of your thinking, fine.

On the fundamentals thinking and knowing are always one.
On other knowledge there are degrees of accuracy and the process of gauging and measuring.
That my user name is Zenny is an irrefutable fact.
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Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:11 pm If you claim suspension of judgement,that is still a judgement.
No, because suspension of judgement is suspension of judgement and is not suspension of judgement and is both and is neither.
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:16 pm On the fundamentals thinking and knowing are always one.
I think that I am God and therefore I know that I am God. :lol:
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:16 pm On other knowledge there are degrees of accuracy and the process of gauging and measuring.
On knowledge there is only belief.
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:11 pm That my user name is Zenny is an irrefutable fact.
Since your self isn't proved to be true there can't be an irrefutable fact in the context of your self.
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SteRo wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:39 pm
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:11 pm If you claim suspension of judgement,that is still a judgement.
No, because suspension of judgement is suspension of judgement and is not suspension of judgement and is both and is neither.
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:16 pm On the fundamentals thinking and knowing are always one.
I think that I am God and therefore I know that I am God. :lol:
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:16 pm On other knowledge there are degrees of accuracy and the process of gauging and measuring.
On knowledge there is only belief.
Zenny wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:11 pm That my user name is Zenny is an irrefutable fact.
Since your self isn't proved to be true there can't be an irrefutable fact in the context of your self.
And all my points still stand.
My username is still Zenny!
You see,this abstract logic and nagarjunan methodology leads to obvious Contradictions. You can't refute reality.
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