Disputes and your solutions for resolution.

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Re: Disputes and your solutions for resolution.

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Zenny wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:09 pm
SteRo wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:58 pm
Zenny wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:56 pm
Yes. My post above.
I see you are not even engaging on any substantive points now.
Phlogiston?
There can't be "substantive points" when there is no belief.
So there is no truth or correct measurement in science? (To say nothing of beliefs!)
Science is a craft with methods taught and applied.
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Re: Disputes and your solutions for resolution.

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SteRo wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:19 pm
Zenny wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:09 pm
SteRo wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:58 pm

There can't be "substantive points" when there is no belief.
So there is no truth or correct measurement in science? (To say nothing of beliefs!)
Science is a craft with methods taught and applied.
Science has measurements and theories which purport to be accurate and truer than other forms of knowledge. No disputing that.
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Zenny wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:48 am
SteRo wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:19 pm
Zenny wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:09 pm
So there is no truth or correct measurement in science? (To say nothing of beliefs!)
Science is a craft with methods taught and applied.
Science has measurements and theories which purport to be accurate and truer than other forms of knowledge. No disputing that.
Measurability and measurements are the basis of the craft called "science", yes. And theories are hypotheses supported by experimental measurements. However the belief "truer than other forms of knowledge" isn't part of science but there are certainly scientists who have this belief as there are also scientists who believe in a "god".
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Re: Disputes and your solutions for resolution.

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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm
Zenny wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:48 am
SteRo wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:19 pm

Science is a craft with methods taught and applied.
Science has measurements and theories which purport to be accurate and truer than other forms of knowledge. No disputing that.
Measurability and measurements are the basis of the craft called "science", yes. And theories are hypotheses supported by experimental measurements. However the belief "truer than other forms of knowledge" isn't part of science but there are certainly scientists who have this belief as there are also scientists who believe in a "god".
No. This is wrong and a red herring. Almost every scientist thinks that their knowledge is truer than other human knowledge especially in their particular field. Science is premised on the view that it gets closer to the truth than other forms of human knowledge or what would the point in doing it?
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Zenny wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:51 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm
Zenny wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:48 am
Science has measurements and theories which purport to be accurate and truer than other forms of knowledge. No disputing that.
Measurability and measurements are the basis of the craft called "science", yes. And theories are hypotheses supported by experimental measurements. However the belief "truer than other forms of knowledge" isn't part of science but there are certainly scientists who have this belief as there are also scientists who believe in a "god".
No. This is wrong and a red herring. Almost every scientist thinks that their knowledge is truer than other human knowledge especially in their particular field. Science is premised on the view that it gets closer to the truth than other forms of human knowledge or what would the point in doing it?
You are being completely unscientific. How can you assert things like "Almost every scientist thinks ..." that are inaccessible to public measurements. You are merely a believer and continually repeating your beliefs.
Also, even science cannot measure "truth" because it's merely a metaphysical idea. Appearance does not need truth, it simply appears.
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Re: Disputes and your solutions for resolution.

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SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:07 pm
Zenny wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:51 pm
SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm

Measurability and measurements are the basis of the craft called "science", yes. And theories are hypotheses supported by experimental measurements. However the belief "truer than other forms of knowledge" isn't part of science but there are certainly scientists who have this belief as there are also scientists who believe in a "god".
No. This is wrong and a red herring. Almost every scientist thinks that their knowledge is truer than other human knowledge especially in their particular field. Science is premised on the view that it gets closer to the truth than other forms of human knowledge or what would the point in doing it?
You are being completely unscientific. How can you assert things like "Almost every scientist thinks ..." that are inaccessible to public measurements. You are merely a believer and continually repeating your beliefs.
Also, even science cannot measure "truth" because it's merely a metaphysical idea. Appearance does not need truth, it simply appears.

If truth is merely a metaphysical idea what does that make science?
You are aware that induction in science is not a measurement?
Is a bent stick in water or optical illusions the appearance you are talking about? Not everything evident is directly visual.
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