Theravada view vs secular view on killing

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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:12 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:09 pm All the same, no one is morally responsible for what happened before they were even an infant
karma :

long life, health, beauty, power, riches, high birth, wisdom
So karma to you means the upper class are good and others are sinners.
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Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:15 pm So karma to you means the upper class are good and others are sinners.
everyone is a sinner


otherwise their place of birth would be heaven
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:22 pm
Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:15 pm So karma to you means the upper class are good and others are sinners.
everyone is a sinner, sort of


otherwise their place of birth would be heaven
But the poorer classes are bigger sinners according to you?
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Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:23 pm But the poorer classes are bigger sinners according to you?
low birth is a specific result


basically from disrespecting those of higher status
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what do you think of politicians?


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Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:14 pmAnd you are still saying people have murdered or such like but have no knowledge of it. That's incoherent.
IMO, it's pretty normal. Most have no memories at all of past lives.
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:27 pm
Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:23 pm But the poorer classes are bigger sinners according to you?
low birth is a specific result


basically from disrespecting those of higher status
Disrespecting how? By not worshipping them?
By the way,you are fully justifying the case system with your views here.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm
Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:14 pmAnd you are still saying people have murdered or such like but have no knowledge of it. That's incoherent.
IMO, it's pretty normal. Most have no memories at all of past lives.
So you just assume they
we're murderers in previous lives if they have any difficulties in this life or are born poor?
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm what do you think of politicians?


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Top Politicians in general are evil.
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Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:31 pm Disrespecting how?
show a lack of respect for; insult.

"a young brave who disrespects his elders"
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Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:31 pm By the way, you are fully justifying the caste system with your views here.
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Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:33 pmSo you just assume they
we're murderers in previous lives if they have any difficulties in this life or are born poor?
No, because that's stupid.

Why are the children necessarily murderers in your question?
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:37 pm
Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:31 pm Disrespecting how?
show a lack of respect for; insult.

"a young brave who disrespects his elders"
And what if an elder wrongfully insults a youngster?
Or if the elder deserves the insult?
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Coëmgenu wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:39 pm
Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:33 pmSo you just assume they
we're murderers in previous lives if they have any difficulties in this life or are born poor?
No, because that's stupid.

Why are the children necessarily murderers in your question?
Follow the thread and you will see.
So children born in difficulties are sinners in some way from past Karma?
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm
Zenny wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:31 pm By the way, you are fully justifying the caste system with your views here.
perhaps
And I thought Buddha was against the caste system?
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