And what do those say about karma?
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There're all sorts of reasons why someone might have a short lifespan, karmically speaking, and being a murderer is an unlikely reason. Most "former murderers" have extraordinarily long lifespans in hell. I used "quotes" because when we speak of one life and a subsequent rebirth as "the same person," it is a human fallacy. The reborn is not the same as the deceased.
I have a weak stomach. If I eat raw garlic, I'll immediately vomit. It's possible, nay likely, that past karma is responsible. Let's say, for the sake of an example, that I poisoned someone in a past life without the intent to kill. I today am not the poisoner. I am a mere "bearer of a burden" from the past. It is not true that "I" am still a poisoner.
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sages are the ones who are controlling their future (karma)Zenny wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:37 pmAnd what do those say about karma?
everyone else is sort of leaving it to chance (karma)
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So have children committed a past life deed that necessitates their abuse?Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:49 pmThere're all sorts of reasons why someone might have a short lifespan, karmically speaking, and being a murderer is an unlikely reason. Most "former murderers" have extraordinarily long lifespans in hell. I used "quotes" because when we speak of one life and a subsequent rebirth as "the same person," it is a human fallacy. The reborn is not the same as the deceased.
I have a weak stomach. If I eat raw garlic, I'll immediately vomit. It's possible, nay likely, that past karma is responsible. Let's say, for the sake of an example, that I poisoned someone in a past life without the intent to kill. I today am not the poisoner. I am a mere "bearer of a burden" from the past. It is not true that "I" am still a poisoner.
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I don't believe in chance.cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:53 pmsages are the ones who are controlling their future (karma)
everyone else is sort of leaving it to chance (karma)
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I think it's a matter of chance if you benefit from this religion
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The children can't have committed a past life deed unless they can travel through time and lives. IMO, it is a mistake to attribute moral culpability for particular former karma to people who suffer in the here and now.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Why are you assuming I need any religion?cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:01 pmI think it's a matter of chance if you benefit from this religion
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Yet in this thread people are saying karma is from past life actions.
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because you are in Saṃsāra
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I'm in England mate.cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:06 pmbecause you are in Samsara
whether or not that's relevant to you
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It is. All the same, no one is morally responsible for what happened before they were even an infant on terms of how we treat people.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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karma :
long life, health, beauty, power, riches, high birth, wisdom
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Yet people couldn't out and out clearly say that children were not responsible for their negative karma.
And you are still saying people have murdered or such like but have no knowledge of it. That's incoherent.
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