Suffering pleasure

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Re: Suffering pleasure

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Mr. Seek wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:32 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:29 am
Mr. Seek wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:09 am
I don't
The body does, conditions do
There is no me or mine on the transcendal level
It's a product of objectification, classification, perception

At least thats what a realized person would say, i think

Hey stuff is complicated, i dont pretend to understand it
A material body does nothing in its own. That's common sense.
It's not complicated. If you don't understand how can you explain or follow it?
Bro i dont know the details. just sit down and forget about everything you ever read, seen, thought, sensed, or heard.
So basically you just following without knowing.
I'm not aiming for the catatonic state because I Love life,I'm not hiding or running away from it.
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Clinging, attachment...

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Is it not clinging that conditions suffering and not feeling. Clinging to ephemeral phenomena, feelings, pleasurable and unpleasurable and neither pleasurable nor unpleasurable.

The means to learn and practice how to abandon the tendency to cling. This is possible and in the practice progress is progressive, step by step, dependent on conditions it is a long or short path, the end reached walking the path.
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Re: Clinging, attachment...

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sunnat wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:35 pm Is it not clinging that conditions suffering and not feeling. Clinging to ephemeral phenomena, feelings, pleasurable and unpleasurable and neither pleasurable nor unpleasurable.

The means to learn and practice how to abandon the tendency to cling. This is possible and in the practice progress is progressive, step by step, dependent on conditions it is a long or short path, the end reached walking the path.
And are you not clinging to the path?
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Re: Suffering pleasure

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Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:56 pm
un8- wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 am

Not according to Buddhism, in Buddhism there are 3 feelings, painful, pleasurable and neutral, and they must be born of sensory contact. So in Buddhism, the dissipation of a feeling is not a feeling. So the dissipation of pain is not a feeling, but the ceasing of a feeling.

Nibbana is therefore not a feeling, but the non-arising of mental feeling, so in the context of seeing every conditioned thing as stressful, the non-arising of things is seen as pleasurable even though there is no actual pleasurable feeling arising, since an actual pleasurable feeling arising is still seen as stressful since it arises, and all conditioned (arising and ceasing) things are seen as stressful.
That's beautifully expressed, un8-. :anjali:
It makes no sense,and there are no examples of this phenomenon in the world.
It makes perfect sense to me!
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Re: Suffering pleasure

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Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:56 pm Proof

That's beautifully expressed, un8-. :anjali:
It makes no sense,and there are no examples of this phenomenon in the world.
It makes perfect sense to me!
Proof is in the pudding!
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Re: Suffering pleasure

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Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm

It makes no sense,and there are no examples of this phenomenon in the world.
It makes perfect sense to me!
Proof is in the pudding!
You don't get any pudding until you've finished your main course.
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Re: Suffering pleasure

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Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 pm

It makes perfect sense to me!
Proof is in the pudding!
You don't get any pudding until you've finished your main course.
Well,nobody except one seemed to have finished the main course.

I'm well fed,your "desert" is not required!!! :jumping:
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Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:25 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm

Proof is in the pudding!
You don't get any pudding until you've finished your main course.
Well,nobody except one seemed to have finished the main course.

I'm well fed,your "desert" is not required!!! :jumping:
No, the main course I was referring to was a basic understanding of Theravāda. When you nourish yourself on that, posts here on DW will make more sense to you.
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