non-Dhamma

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
PeterC86
Posts: 1412
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:06 pm

non-Dhamma

Post by PeterC86 »

Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, will find the way that leads beyond it.

Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, will realize Dhamma.

Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, will realize that Dhamma comes from someone who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self.

The one leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, who realizes Dhamma comes from someone who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, has gone beyond it.

The one leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, who realizes Dhamma comes from someone who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, and who has gone beyond it, will find the words to tell someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, searching for the way that leads beyond it, that the one who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, is driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, searching for the way that leads beyond it, who hears or reads the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from searching for the way that leads beyond it.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from wanting to know what lies beyond it.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from knowing the self.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, released from knowing the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from knowing what lies beyond it.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, released from knowing what lies beyond it, released from knowing the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from the self.

Someone living a life, released from the self, released from knowing what lies beyond it, released from knowing the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released.


(\/)
(o-)
(")(')
josaphatbarlaam
Posts: 112
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:03 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by josaphatbarlaam »

self or identity? do you make distinction between the two or not?
Ontheway
Posts: 3062
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:35 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by Ontheway »

Why need to release from "Self" when the five aggregates are not even "Self"?

It seems OP is suggesting that there is a "Self" to be released from. :?
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.

https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
PeterC86
Posts: 1412
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:06 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by PeterC86 »

josaphatbarlaam wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:09 am self or identity? do you make distinction between the two or not?
Sir, madam, I do not make distinction.
PeterC86
Posts: 1412
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:06 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by PeterC86 »

Ontheway wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:43 am Why need to release from "Self" when the five aggregates are not even "Self"?
Sir, madam, I do not know, it seems I cannot help you.
User avatar
Ceisiwr
Posts: 22390
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:36 am
Location: Wales

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by Ceisiwr »

There is certainly a lot of self in the OP.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
Ontheway
Posts: 3062
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:35 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by Ontheway »

Okay, maybe I misunderstood. I think OP was posting about what "non-Dhamma" is. The title given was "non-Dhamma"...

In this case, I wholeheartedly agree with OP with that: what was written in that list is non-Dhamma, since those statements are related to Sassatavada or Ucchedavada.
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.

https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
Spiny Norman
Posts: 10157
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:32 am
Location: Andromeda looks nice

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by Spiny Norman »

PeterC86 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:21 am Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, will find the way that leads beyond it.

Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, will realize Dhamma.

Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, will realize that Dhamma comes from someone who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self.

The one leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, who realizes Dhamma comes from someone who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, has gone beyond it.

The one leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, who found the way that leads beyond it, who realizes Dhamma comes from someone who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, and who has gone beyond it, will find the words to tell someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, searching for the way that leads beyond it, that the one who found the way that leads beyond it, wanting to know what lies beyond it, is driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, searching for the way that leads beyond it, who hears or reads the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from searching for the way that leads beyond it.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from wanting to know what lies beyond it.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from knowing the self.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, released from knowing the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from knowing what lies beyond it.

Someone living a life, driven by the self, released from knowing what lies beyond it, released from knowing the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released from the self.

Someone living a life, released from the self, released from knowing what lies beyond it, released from knowing the self, released from wanting to know what lies beyond it, released from searching for the way that leads beyond it, by the words from the one who has gone beyond it, that the way that leads beyond it, comes from someone wanting to know what lies beyond it, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it, but driven by the self, is released.


(\/)
(o-)
(")(')
What's the point of this preachy monologue?
Buddha save me from new-agers!
sphairos
Posts: 966
Joined: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:37 am
Location: Munich, Germany

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by sphairos »

Spiny Norman wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:26 am
PeterC86 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:21 am
(\/)
(o-)
(")(')
What's the point of this preachy monologue?
This guy thinks he is enlightened (arahant) , so I wouldn't bother to look for logic in his actions.
How good and wonderful are your days,
How true are your ways?
un8-
Posts: 747
Joined: Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:49 am

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by un8- »

PeterC86 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:21 am
(\/)
(o-)
(")(')
Nice ascii skills!
There is only one battle that could be won, and that is the battle against the 3 poisons. Any other battle is a guaranteed loss because you're going to die either way.
dharmacorps
Posts: 2298
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:33 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by dharmacorps »

I thought you had left Dhammawheel Peter. Why the return? Did others not receive you well?
josaphatbarlaam
Posts: 112
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:03 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by josaphatbarlaam »

PeterC86 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:21 am Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it,
What do you mean by something lying beyond self? God?
PeterC86
Posts: 1412
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:06 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by PeterC86 »

josaphatbarlaam wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:32 pm
PeterC86 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:21 am Someone leading a life, driven by the self, unknowing what lies beyond it,
What do you mean by something lying beyond self? God?
Choice.

....
All forces unite,

This is the last stand,

You gotta believe.
PeterC86
Posts: 1412
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:06 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by PeterC86 »

Everything that has a beginning, has an end, and this end lies in the middle.
PeterC86
Posts: 1412
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:06 pm

Re: non-Dhamma

Post by PeterC86 »

Spiny Norman wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:26 am What's the point of this preachy monologue?
I don't know the point, but it wrote two stories,

For I am it.
Post Reply