A set of consciousness can be extracted and placed into another hardware

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A set of consciousness can be extracted and placed into another hardware

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This is comparable to rebirth?
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form wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:30 am This is comparable to rebirth?
wrong ...

consciousness is not product or permanent to be transferred

consciousness is process... involving many tissues and cells and neurons...
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How can "A set of consciousness ... be extracted"? What is "A set of consciousness"?
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Because it's totally sci-fi, and we don't know how or if that kind of thing can happen, maybe and maybe it's not similar to rebirth.
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Actually only a brain might be "placed into another hardware" (hardware other than the body). But that then might be comparable to killing.
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form wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:30 am This is comparable to rebirth?
I don't think so, given the Buddha's advice to Sati the fisherman in MN38.
In the suttas consciousness doesn't have an independent existence, it is said to arise in dependence upon sense-base and sense-object.
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Sorry all for being unclear in my first post. The hardware I am referring to is another human body or equivalent in any realm. I got this idea from reading another sutta in MN and I am pleasantly surprised to see ganghabba being mentioned again. The note explain ganghabba as something like a stream of consciousness.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:24 am consciousness is not product or permanent to be transferred

consciousness is process... involving many tissues and cells and neurons...
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form wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:30 am This is comparable to rebirth?
No

Consciousness depends on a sense organ, it "binds" with a body. Even in the the formless plane there is still the mind sense organ, which consciousness is bound up with.

You also have the "mind made body", this doesn't mean that consciousness leaves the body. It means that the mind sense organ can create a mental body, so consciousness never leaves the sense organs, so to answer your question: no you cannot extract consciousness and put it in another body because the minute you "extract" the consciousness, there is no more consciousness.

Consciousness is like a fire, it burns depending on the fuel, to say you can extract consciousness from a body is like saying you can extract fire from fuel, not possible. You can transfer heat to a new fuel source which creates a new fire dependent on that fuel, but you cannot transfer an old fire which depends on old fuel.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:40 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:24 am consciousness is not product or permanent to be transferred

consciousness is process... involving many tissues and cells and neurons...
wrong
Pls explain y wrong?
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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:56 pm Pls explain y wrong?
consciousness is not annihilated


that is annihilation ism


which is not the teaching
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(you don't need to transfer consciousness into a machine)
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:07 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:56 pm Pls explain y wrong?
consciousness is not annihilated


that is annihilation ism


which is not the teaching
If conciosuness is not annhilated, how can u have another conciousness not overlapping before conciousness? Are you concious of two object at same time?
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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:11 pm :quote:
just know consciousness is not annihliated
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:14 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:11 pm :quote:
just know consciousness is not annihliated
I cant because i discerened what it is
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