Title. Basically, is there any other spiritual tradition out there, particularly in the East, other than Buddhism, that has a Mara-like figure in it?
The only things that come to my mind are: Satan in Christianity, and the demiurge in Gnosticism. Both act as tempters for those who seek awakening; they preside over the mundane world of sensuality and spiritual ignorance; both are non-human (also, deva or higher), control the forces of darkness, etc.
What other [Eastern] traditions have Mara in them?
Re: What other [Eastern] traditions have Mara in them?
Zoroastrianism has Aŋra Mainiiu. Various trickster gods have different things in-common with Māra also. IMO, Māra is a pre-Buddhist trickster god, a nefarious one, similar to "the demons" in Christian monasticism, Eastern Orthodoxy in particular, who torment renunciants with blasphemous notions and sensual delights.
Some scholars believe that the transformation of "the Devil" from "the Satan," a divine prosecutor "employed" by God, to "Satan," the personal name of an agent of evil, was influenced by Persian syncretism amongst the Jewish populace before the 1st century. Persians traditionally practiced Zoroastrianism back then being the context.
Some scholars believe that the transformation of "the Devil" from "the Satan," a divine prosecutor "employed" by God, to "Satan," the personal name of an agent of evil, was influenced by Persian syncretism amongst the Jewish populace before the 1st century. Persians traditionally practiced Zoroastrianism back then being the context.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Re: What other [Eastern] traditions have Mara in them?
Ah, so Ahriman. Yeah, I forgot about that one. Good call.Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:42 pm Zoroastrianism has Aŋra Mainiiu. Various trickster gods have different things in-common with Māra also. IMO, Māra is a pre-Buddhist trickster god, a nefarious one, similar to "the demons" in Christian monasticism, Eastern Orthodoxy in particular, who torment renunciants with blasphemous notions and sensual delights.
Some scholars believe that the transformation of "the Devil" from "the Satan," a divine prosecutor "employed" by God, to "Satan," the personal name of an agent of evil, was influenced by Persian syncretism amongst the Jewish populace before the 1st century. Persians traditionally practiced Zoroastrianism back then being the context.
Re: What other [Eastern] traditions have Mara in them?
Not exactly "Eastern" but I think the idea of Satan was influenced by Judaism's Azazel, who was an angel who had sex and kids with humans and was punished for it. He's also associated with goats like Satan was. It's also where the word scapegoat comes from.
Both Mara and Azazel are technically angels/devas, and both have sexual perversion.
Both Mara and Azazel are technically angels/devas, and both have sexual perversion.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/AzazelAzazel, in Jewish legends, a demon or evil spirit to whom, in the ancient rite of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), a scapegoat was sent bearing the sins of the Jewish people. Two male goats were chosen for the ritual, one designated by lots “for the Lord,” the other “for Azazel” (Leviticus 16:8). The ritual was carried out by the high priest in the Second Temple and is described in the Mishna. After the high priest symbolically transferred all the sins of the Jewish people to the scapegoat, the goat destined “for Azazel” was driven into the wilderness and cast over a precipice to its death. Azazel was the personification of uncleanness and in later rabbinic writings was sometimes described as a fallen angel.
There is only one battle that could be won, and that is the battle against the 3 poisons. Any other battle is a guaranteed loss because you're going to die either way.