She died, went to heaven

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cappuccino wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:29 am

She died, went to heaven
She may be charming but she is having wrong view
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:27 am She may be charming but she is having wrong view
why do you think so?
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There are three serious wrong-views, as expounded in the Titthāyantādi Suttaṃ
  1. The wrong-view of fatalism (pubbakatahetu-diṭṭhi).
  2. The wrong-view of creationism (issaranimmānahetu-diṭṭhi).
  3. The wrong-view of nihilism (akiriyahetu-diṭṭhi).
She clearly holds the second of these three wrong-views.
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Bhikkhu Pesala wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:31 pm There are three serious wrong-views, as expounded in the Titthāyantādi Suttaṃ
  1. The wrong-view of fatalism (pubbakatahetu-diṭṭhi).
  2. The wrong-view of creationism (issaranimmānahetu-diṭṭhi).
  3. The wrong-view of nihilism (akiriyahetu-diṭṭhi).
She clearly holds the second of these three wrong-views.
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Bhikkhu Pesala wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:31 pm The wrong-view of creationism
There are monks, some recluses and priests who say this and hold this view: Whatever a person experiences, whether pleasant, painful, or neutral, all of that is created by God
that's not creationism
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:04 pm
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:31 pm The wrong-view of creationism
perhaps Buddhism has the wrong view


I'm open minded
The Buddha gave explanation why Creationism is wrong view, misleading, and unprofitable. Any explanation from you to claim the contrary?
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Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:12 pm Any explanation?
lost in translation
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:14 pm
Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:12 pm Any explanation?
lost in translation
So....are you saying originally the Buddha endorsed Theism? Just Pali Tipitaka distorted His Teachings?

Be it
There are monks, some recluses and priests who say this and hold this view: Whatever a person experiences, whether pleasant, painful, or neutral, all of that is created by God
Or
Thereupon the being who re-arose there first thinks to himself: 'I am Brahmā, the Great Brahmā, the Vanquisher, the Unvanquished, the Universal Seer, the Wielder of Power, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Supreme Being, the Ordainer, the Almighty, the Father of all that are and are to be. And these beings have been created by me. What is the reason? Because first I made the wish: "Oh, that other beings might come to this place!" And after I made this resolution, now these beings have come.'
Which one do you think is Buddha's teaching?
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Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm Which one do you think is Buddha's teaching?
I think Buddhists under estimate God


the cosmological significance is great


perhaps this means we under estimate Buddha
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm Which one do you think is Buddha's teaching?
I think Buddhists under estimate God


the cosmological significance is great


perhaps this means we under estimate Buddha
Okay. Welcome to Buddhism.

How you envision God? From which tradition? Jewish? Christianity or Islam? Hindu maybe?

I've read NIV Bible, Bhagavad Gita and some parts of Al-Quran, haven't read Talmud though.
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Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:35 pm Okay. Welcome to Buddhism.

How you envision God?
did you watch the video?

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cappuccino wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:37 pm
Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:35 pm Okay. Welcome to Buddhism.

How you envision God?
did you watch the video?

:shrug:
I was asking about your statement about God and Creationism, since you said Buddhism maybe has wrong view and Buddhists underestimated God.
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Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:54 pm I was asking about your statement about God and Creationism,
well God is a stumbling block for many


at least for Buddhists if not Buddha
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:57 pm
Ontheway wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:54 pm I was asking about your statement about God and Creationism,
well God is a stumbling block for many


at least for Buddhists if not Buddha
Okay, are you saying Buddha failed to understand the nature of God?

Stumbling block as in term of gaining wisdom?
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