One Truth Two Truth Four Truth No Truth

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asahi
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The Christian and Islam says there is only 1 Truth , that is their God is the Only True God , both says there is 1 Truth . So if add up there are Two Truth . The non-believer says there isnt a Truth . Now Buddhism says there are Four Truth actually , does Four Truth proclaimation is as valid as One Truth ? :mrgreen:
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There is only one Truth, which is "Four Noble Truths".

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devadhammāti vuccare.

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The God of the Abrahamic religions is eternalism and annihilationism in practice. To have an eternal and timeless god is necessary to construct a theory of how things came to be, which can be only done through annihilating all other possible starting points (the one true God). This is why, the concept of truth can be deceptive to use it as a basis to compare/contrast the teachings of the Buddha with Abrahamic religions. The four noble truths are known by noble people, they are not public knowledge. As a public knowledge, the four noble truths are an antithesis to monotheistic religions.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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asahi wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:04 am The Christian and Islam says there is only 1 Truth , that is their God is the Only True God , both says there is 1 Truth . So if add up there are Two Truth . The non-believer says there isnt a Truth . Now Buddhism says there are Four Truth actually , does Four Truth proclaimation is as valid as One Truth ? :mrgreen:
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Spiny Norman wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm All religions have their "truths". Buddhism is no different.
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asahi wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:04 am ... 1 Truth ... 1 Truth ... Two Truth ...isnt a Truth .... Four Truth ... One Truth ? :mrgreen:


Here we go again :mrgreen:
𝓑𝓾𝓭𝓭𝓱𝓪 𝓗𝓪𝓭 𝓤𝓷𝓮𝓺𝓾𝓲𝓿𝓸𝓬𝓪𝓵𝓵𝔂 𝓓𝓮𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽
  • Iᴅᴇᴀ ᴏꜰ Sᴏᴜʟ ɪs Oᴜᴛᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴏꜰ ᴀɴ Uᴛᴛᴇʀʟʏ Fᴏᴏʟɪsʜ Vɪᴇᴡ
    V. Nanananda

𝓐𝓷𝓪𝓽𝓽ā 𝓜𝓮𝓪𝓷𝓼 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓘𝓼
  • Nᴏ sᴜᴄʜ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴀs ᴀ Sᴇʟғ, Sᴏᴜʟ, Eɢᴏ, Sᴘɪʀɪᴛ, ᴏʀ Āᴛᴍᴀɴ
    V. Buddhādasa
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cappuccino wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm All religions have their "truths". Buddhism is no different.
Buddhism is highest truth
Which Buddhism? The one with souls in it? :tongue:
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Spiny Norman wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:44 pm
cappuccino wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm Buddhism is highest truth
Which Buddhism? The one with souls in it?
the soul is a mystery…


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Everybody thinks they are right, so who is wrong?
Who owns the truth?

Conventions are merely that.
"Whatever is seen or heard or sensed
and fastened onto as true by others,
One who is Such — among the self-fettered —
wouldn't further claim to be true or even false.

"Having seen well in advance that arrow
where generations are fastened & hung
— 'I know, I see, that's just how it is!' —
there's nothing of the Tathagata fastened."
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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Buddha said that the view “This is the only truth that every thing else is false” is a wrong grasping. Even Four Noble Truth is a view how ever it leads to end all views.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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