the great vegetarian debate

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lyndon taylor wrote:
chownah wrote:Some dietary news:
New research suggests that it's not the fat in your diet that's raising your risk of premature death, it's too many carbohydrates -- especially the refined, processed kinds of carbs -- that may be the real killer...
https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/0 ... -carbs-bad
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Yeah the originator of that Idea Dr Atkins, died of a heart attack.
People love to hear good news about their bad habits, but the overall scientific evidence shows that saturated fat and cholesterol are the dietary causes of heart disease, not carbohydrates, especially not from whole plant sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrPXFSIKxl0

Those on the keto and paleo diets, which are all the rage right now, should look back at Dr. Atkins as a cautionary tale.
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I had a few bites of steak today that my wife made, and I was struck by how unremarkable it tasted compared to foods like potatoes, brown rice, even kale. When you've been on a plant-based diet for over a month, like I have, you will likely lose your appetite and taste for meat.

Meat just doesn't taste good enough to justify putting the saturated fat and cholesterol into your body, or to justify the torture and slaughter of innocent creatures. Meat is very boring for someone used to eating tasty plant foods.
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Can I ask why you're writing in larger font now? I always think it looks like shouting!

I've never tasted meat or fish since I was a teenager, but I don't usually tell everyone I'm a vegetarian, I just get on with it.


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Aloka wrote:Can I ask why you're writing in larger font now?
It's easier to read.
Aloka wrote: I've never tasted meat or fish since I was a teenager, but I don't usually tell everyone I'm a vegetarian, I just get on with it.
I am just very surprised with myself, since I used to eat meat everyday, with practically every meal of the day, and I never cared about things like dietary fat and cholesterol. Now I have no taste for it.
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Somebody told me recently that you can still buy spam. :o :jumping:
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Spiny Norman wrote:Somebody told me recently that you can still buy spam. :o :jumping:

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In thailand you can still get pig lungs. I had some for dinner tonight. It was good but nothing to shout about....the tongue or heart is much better. I haven't lost my taste for vegetables though.
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chownah wrote:In thailand you can still get pig lungs. I had some for dinner tonight. It was good but nothing to shout about....the tongue or heart is much better. I haven't lost my taste for vegetables though.
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:shrug:


When I was a student, one of the girls I shared a house with liked to have an occasional snack of raw liver or kidney.

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chownah wrote:In thailand you can still get pig lungs. I had some for dinner tonight. It was good but nothing to shout about....the tongue or heart is much better.
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Gross.
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Aloka wrote:
chownah wrote:In thailand you can still get pig lungs. I had some for dinner tonight. It was good but nothing to shout about....the tongue or heart is much better. I haven't lost my taste for vegetables though.
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When I was a student, one of the girls I shared a house with liked to have an occasional snack of raw liver or kidney.

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Yeah, when they slaughter a pig here for some big gathering (wedding or house dedication for instance) they cut the tip off of the liver right then and eat it when it is still warm. Its good.

Another thing that is good if prepared well is placenta....either pig of cow. When my wife's uncle's cow has a calf he cooks the placenta and brings some around for us to eat...it is a special thing for him to give us some and shows that we are close. He cooks it in the traditional way which frankly is not my favorite....they use bitter herbs with a strong flavor and I like it better when my wife cooks it so that the flavor of the placenta is more prominent.
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chownah wrote: Another thing that is good if prepared well is placenta....either pig of cow. When my wife's uncle's cow has a calf he cooks the placenta and brings some around for us to eat...it is a special thing for him to give us some and shows that we are close. He cooks it in the traditional way which frankly is not my favorite....they use bitter herbs with a strong flavor and I like it better when my wife cooks it so that the flavor of the placenta is more prominent.
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I've heard that after giving birth some women cook and eat their own placenta.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/ ... centa.aspx

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chownah wrote: Another thing that is good if prepared well is placenta....either pig of cow. When my wife's uncle's cow has a calf he cooks the placenta and brings some around for us to eat...it is a special thing for him to give us some and shows that we are close. He cooks it in the traditional way which frankly is not my favorite....they use bitter herbs with a strong flavor and I like it better when my wife cooks it so that the flavor of the placenta is more prominent.
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I can assure you that a bowl of kale, or even a baked potato, is a much healthier, and more humane, thing to eat. Probably tastier too if you prepare it with the right seasonings or dressings.
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I just thought of something that could drastically improve America's health, especially for low-income people: Fruits and vegetables should cost less for people on food stamps. Grocery stores could even be reimbursed at the normal amount, while incentivizing low-income people to eat healthier foods.
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Santi253 wrote:I just thought of something that could drastically improve America's health, especially for low-income people: Fruits and vegetables should cost less for people on food stamps. Grocery stores could even be reimbursed at the normal amount, while incentivizing low-income people to eat healthier foods.
I would go for fruits and vegetables costing less in general. Its pretty sad when it is much more financially responsible to only eat instant ramen and other foods like that while putting yourself through university (he said from experience).
Then, the monks sang this gāthā:

These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and rots.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?

The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.

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Coëmgenu wrote:I would go for fruits and vegetables costing less in general. Its pretty sad when it is much more financially responsible to only eat instant ramen and other foods like that while putting yourself through university (he said from experience).
This year, we have more tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers in our garden than we can eat or prepare for winter. I'd gladly give you some.
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