Why are jhanas called earth-kasina ???

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Why are jhanas called earth-kasina ???

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Dear Abhidhamma expert/s

Why are the four jhanas called pathavīkasiṇaṁ?

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Herein at the time when a monk develops the path for rebirth in the plane of form, he, aloof from sense pleasures, See section 205. attains and dwells in earth-totality first jhāna; at that time there is five constituent jhāna (viz.) initial application, sustained application, rapture, pleasure, one-pointedness of consciousness. This is called first jhāna. (As also are) The remaining dhammas associated with the jhāna. (1)

Herein at the time when a monk develops the path for rebirth in the plane of form, he, aloof from sense pleasures, aloof from unskilful dhammas, attains and dwells in earth-totality second jhāna without initial application, sustained application only, with rapture and pleasure born of detachment; at that time there is four constituent jhāna (viz.) sustained application, rapture, pleasure, one-pointedness of consciousness. This is called second jhāna. (As also are) The remaining dhammas associated with the jhāna. (2)

Herein at the time when a monk develops the path for rebirth in the plane of form, he, inhibiting initial application and sustained application, See section 205. attains and dwells in earth-totality third jhāna; at that time there is three constituent jhāna (viz.) rapture, pleasure, one-pointedness of consciousness. This is called third jhāna. (As also are) The remaining dhammas associated with the jhāna. (3)

Herein at the time when a monk develops the path for rebirth in the plane of form, he, desireless of rapture, See section 205. attains and dwells in earth-totality fourth jhāna; at that time there is two constituent jhāna (viz.) pleasure, one-pointedness of consciousness. This is called fourth jhāna. (As also are) The remaining dhammas associated with the jhāna.

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As you know there are many Kasina objects to attain Jhana.
Earth Kasina is only one of them.
There are other Kasina such as color, water, air, light, etc.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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SarathW wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:06 pm As you know there are many Kasina objects to attain Jhana.
No, i do not believe in the above.
SarathW wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:06 pm As you know there are many Kasina objects to attain Jhana.
The Vibhanga does not appear to say kasina is used to attain jhana. The Vibhanga described all four jhana as being or including "earth kasina".

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DooDoot wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:11 pm
SarathW wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:06 pm As you know there are many Kasina objects to attain Jhana.
No, i do not believe in the above.
SarathW wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:06 pm As you know there are many Kasina objects to attain Jhana.
The Vibhanga does not appear to say kasina is used to attain jhana. The Vibhanga described all four jhana as being or including "earth kasina".

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Dwells means the sign is in an unarisen state albeit readily ariseable, guaranteed the object is apprehended by the (eye)-consciousness properly.
In visuddhimagga about developing the sign,
p177 wrote:So he should develop it by
apprehending the sign (nimitta), keeping his eyes open moderately, as if he were
seeing the reflection of his face (mukha-nimitta) on the surface of a lookingglass.
relevance is on mental
p177-178 wrote:29. The colour should not be reviewed. The characteristic should not be given
attention.8 But rather, while not ignoring the colour, attention should be given
by setting the mind on the [name] concept as the most outstanding mental
datum, relegating the colour to the position of a property of its physical support.
Guarding the sign. Unarisen state
p180 wrote:34. The arousing of the counterpart sign, which arises together with access
concentration, is very difficult. Therefore if he is able to arrive at absorption
in that same session by extending the sign, it is good.
Suitability of an abode,
p181 wrote:36. 1. Herein, an abode is unsuitable if, while he lives in it, the unarisen sign
does not arise in him or is lost when it arises, and where unestablished
mindfulness fails to become established and the unconcentrated mind fails to
become concentrated.
name concept,
p178 wrote:That [conceptual state] can be called by anyone he likes among the names for
earth (pathavì) such as “earth” (pathavì), “the Great One” (mahì), “the Friendly
One” (medinì), “ground” (bhúmi), “the Provider of Wealth” (vasudhá), “the Bearer
of Wealth” (vasudhará), etc., whichever suits his manner of perception. Still “earth”
is also a name that is obvious, so it can be developed with the obvious one by
saying “earth, earth.”
Dwells,
https://suttacentral.net/vb12/en/thittila wrote:“Dwells” means: Assumes the four postures, exists, protects, keeps going, maintains, turns about, dwells. Therefore this is called “dwells”.
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auto wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:14 pm In visuddhimagga about developing the sign
Thank you Auto. Very good (not that i believe it). :thanks: :bow:
138. When he has emerged from the first jhána, applied and sustained thought
appear gross to him as he reviews the jhána factors with mindfulness and full
awareness, while happiness and bliss and unification of mind appear peaceful.
Then, as he brings that same sign to mind as “earth, earth” again and again
with the purpose of abandoning the gross factors and obtaining the peaceful
factors, [knowing] “now the second jhána will arise,” there arises in him
mind-door adverting with that same earth kasióa as its object, interrupting the
life-continuum. After that, either four or five impulsions impel on that same
object, the last one of which is an impulsion of the fine-material sphere belonging
to the second jhána. The rest are of the sense sphere of the kinds already stated

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