Are four types of Kaya is supported by Sutta Pitaka?

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Are four types of Kaya is supported by Sutta Pitaka?

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Are four types of Kaya is supported by Sutta Pitaka?
It appears that there are four different bodies in the human body as per Abhidhamma.
1)Karmajakaya
2)Utujakaya
3)Cittajakaya
4)Aharahakaya
Perhaps one to three are the so-called astral body.
If you listen to Pali words please see the following video in Sinhalese.
Just a matter of interest this Dhamma discussion went for close to 12 hours!
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SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:42 am Are four types of Kaya is supported by Sutta Pitaka?
It appears that there are four different bodies in the human body as per Abhidhamma.
1)Karmajakaya
2)Utujakaya
3)Cittajakaya
4)Aharahakaya
Perhaps one to three are the so-called astral body.
If you listen to Pali words please see the following video in Sinhalese.
Just a matter of interest this Dhamma discussion went for close to 12 hours!
Did the Sri Lankan Venerable gave any reference in term of Abhidhamma text? Which book?

I don't know Sinhalese, but I heard the Venerable monk said something about Gandhabba...what is the Venerable's view on Gandhabba?
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Ontheway wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:53 pm
SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:42 am Are four types of Kaya is supported by Sutta Pitaka?
It appears that there are four different bodies in the human body as per Abhidhamma.
1)Karmajakaya
2)Utujakaya
3)Cittajakaya
4)Aharahakaya
Perhaps one to three are the so-called astral body.
If you listen to Pali words please see the following video in Sinhalese.
Just a matter of interest this Dhamma discussion went for close to 12 hours!
Did the Sri Lankan Venerable gave any reference in term of Abhidhamma text? Which book?

I don't know Sinhalese, but I heard the Venerable monk said something about Gandhabba...what is the Venerable's view on Gandhabba?
He called Gandhabba to mean one to three of Kaya. He has this belief that it is possible for this Gandhabba to survive death until it exhausts its Kamma. Now it appears to me that he is also from Ven. Abhayaratnalankara linage.
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SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:59 pm
Ontheway wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:53 pm
SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:42 am Are four types of Kaya is supported by Sutta Pitaka?
It appears that there are four different bodies in the human body as per Abhidhamma.
1)Karmajakaya
2)Utujakaya
3)Cittajakaya
4)Aharahakaya
Perhaps one to three are the so-called astral body.
If you listen to Pali words please see the following video in Sinhalese.
Just a matter of interest this Dhamma discussion went for close to 12 hours!
Did the Sri Lankan Venerable gave any reference in term of Abhidhamma text? Which book?

I don't know Sinhalese, but I heard the Venerable monk said something about Gandhabba...what is the Venerable's view on Gandhabba?
He called Gandhabba to mean one to three of Kaya. He has this belief that it is possible for this Gandhabba to survive death until it exhausts its Kamma. Now it appears to me that he is also from Ven. Abhayaratnalankara linage.
Thanks for info.
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dont know Sinhalese ...
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:42 am It appears that there are four different bodies in the human body as per Abhidhamma.
Not four different bodies, but for different kinds of materiality:
  1. Materiality born from kamma (kammaja-rūpa)
  2. Materiality born from temperature (utuja-rūpa)
  3. Materiality born from thought or consciousness (cittaja-rūpa)
  4. Materiality born from food (ahāraja-rūpa).
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Bhikkhu Pesala wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:09 am
SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:42 am It appears that there are four different bodies in the human body as per Abhidhamma.
Not four different bodies, but for different kinds of materiality:
  1. Materiality born from kamma (kammaja-rūpa)
  2. Materiality born from temperature (utuja-rūpa)
  3. Materiality born from thought or consciousness (cittaja-rūpa)
  4. Materiality born from food (ahāraja-rūpa).
Thank you Bhante.
Could you provide some examples for these four Rupa please?
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