A very fine exposition given by Canadian Abhidhamma student Rob Moult at the request of the Buddhist Gem Fellowship.
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Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
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Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Thank you, well worth watching, closely studying. Note how it is at feelings that the opportunity to step off the wheel of becoming is presented.
From a footnote in the Venerable Ledi Sayadaw's The Noble Eightfold Path and its Factors Explained : "Note that kamma means action, not the fruit of action as when people say, "it's my kamma". This reduces the teaching of kamma to mere fatalism."
From a footnote in the Venerable Ledi Sayadaw's The Noble Eightfold Path and its Factors Explained : "Note that kamma means action, not the fruit of action as when people say, "it's my kamma". This reduces the teaching of kamma to mere fatalism."
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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
written into life itselfThe slightest of all the results coming from drinking fermented & distilled liquors is that, when one becomes a human being, it leads to mental derangement.
Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Experiencing kamma phala/vipakka is not fatalism.sunnat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:27 am Thank you, well worth watching, closely studying. Note how it is at feelings that the opportunity to step off the wheel of becoming is presented.
From a footnote in the Venerable Ledi Sayadaw's The Noble Eightfold Path and its Factors Explained : "Note that kamma means action, not the fruit of action as when people say, "it's my kamma". This reduces the teaching of kamma to mere fatalism."
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.
Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.
Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.
Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Kamma phala and kamma vakka are not kamma. They are the fruit of kamma.
When the conditions are right the fruit manifests. That is the result of kamma.
A reaction to the result is kamma.
No reaction and the kamma fruit passes away without being mutiplied.
When the conditions are right the fruit manifests. That is the result of kamma.
A reaction to the result is kamma.
No reaction and the kamma fruit passes away without being mutiplied.
Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Yeah, and?
What is your point?
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.
Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.
Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.
Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
My apologies. I thought you were making a point. 
Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Sorry, maybe I did not understand. Were you supporting my point?
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.
Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.
Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.
Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma
Yes. Looks like we both misunderstood in the same way. I was hedging my bets in case i wasn't misunderstanding. Interesting exchange. There is an unnecessary tendency for combativeness that sometimes pervades the forum. I'm not immune. I welcome opportunities to recognise and avoid it.