Femininity and Masculinity

[Ceisiwr]

Greetings everyone,

In the Abdhidhamma and related commentaries I believe masculine and feminine are classed under matter. Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

[cappuccino]

Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

yes … look around

[confusedlayman]

Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

yes … look around

only when evolution takes place by couplation

[santa100]

In the Abdhidhamma and related commentaries I believe masculine and feminine are classed under matter. Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

Correct. The Abhidhamma classification is like an onion with lots and lots of layers. Femininity/Masculinity is under BhavaRupa/MaterialPhenomenaOfSex, which is one of the 28 sub-groups under Rupa, which, together with 173 sub-components under Nama, make up 28 + 173 = 201 sub-components under Sankhata/Conditioned, which, together with 1 ASankhata/UnConditioned/Nibbana, make up 201 + 1 = 202 sub-components under Paramattha/UltimateReality. For more infos, refer to Ven. Bodhi's CMA

[MettaDevPrac]

Greetings everyone,

In the Abdhidhamma and related commentaries I believe masculine and feminine are classed under matter. Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

What is "ultimate realities"?

Also, what is "masculine and feminine"?

[SteRo]

What is "ultimate realities"?

From the link above:

things that exist by reason of their own intrinsic nature (sabhava).

[zerotime]

Also, what is "masculine and feminine"?

the psychophysical expression for the characteristics proper of the male and female.
It can be masculine, femenine, or an indetermination regarding both.

Besides masculine and femenine there is not a third one. It doesn't exist, nobody can find it.

[Ceisiwr]

Also, what is "masculine and feminine"?

the psychophysical expression for the characteristics proper of the male and female.
It can be masculine, femenine, or an indetermination regarding both.

Besides masculine and femenine there is not a third one. It doesn't exist, nobody can find it.

According to some modern theories the Abhidhamma is wrong as there are 30+ genders.

[cappuccino]

According to some modern theories … there are 30+ genders.

confusion

[confusedlayman]

Also, what is "masculine and feminine"?

the psychophysical expression for the characteristics proper of the male and female.
It can be masculine, femenine, or an indetermination regarding both.

Besides masculine and femenine there is not a third one. It doesn't exist, nobody can find it.

what of we evolve in to 4 genders.. new 2 genders evolve other than the two its here and they both have lust

[MettaDevPrac]

Also, what is "masculine and feminine"?

the psychophysical expression for the characteristics proper of the male and female.
It can be masculine, femenine, or an indetermination regarding both.

Besides masculine and femenine there is not a third one. It doesn't exist, nobody can find it.

Please explain sex changing animal species. https://animalogic.ca/wild/6-surprising ... change-sex

And why identification with gender is described as Mara's trap/tactic.

[Ceisiwr]

Also, what is "masculine and feminine"?

the psychophysical expression for the characteristics proper of the male and female.
It can be masculine, femenine, or an indetermination regarding both.

Besides masculine and femenine there is not a third one. It doesn't exist, nobody can find it.

Please explain sex changing animal species. https://animalogic.ca/wild/6-surprising ... change-sex

And why identification with gender is described as Mara's trap/tactic.

That’s still just male or female.

[DooDoot]

In the Abdhidhamma and related commentaries I believe masculine and feminine are classed under matter. Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

I would answer "yes" to the above question. However, in saying so, they appear to refer to "physical faculties" rather than "mental identities". Penis is always male faculty and vagina always female faculty, thus "sabhava"; regardless of identity. What is sabhava is four elements, consciousness/citta, 52 cetasika and nibbana. Any form of identity is not "sabhava". The sabhava of identity appears to be cetasika of delusion (#14) or wrong view (#19). Click image to enlarge & clarify.

[Ceisiwr]

In the Abdhidhamma and related commentaries I believe masculine and feminine are classed under matter. Are masculine and feminine thus ultimate realities?

I would answer "yes" to the above question. However, in saying so, they appear to refer to "physical faculties" rather than "mental identities". Penis is always male faculty and vagina always female faculty, thus "sabhava"; regardless of identity. What is sabhava is four elements, consciousness/citta, 52 cetasika and nibbana. Any form of identity is not "sabhava". The sabhava of identity appears to be cetasika of delusion (#14) or wrong view (#19). Click image to enlarge & clarify.

In the Comprehensive Manual of the Abhidhamma it states that it is more than just physical anatomy: https://www.saraniya.com/books/meditati ... dhamma.pdf

[zerotime]

Please explain sex changing animal species. https://animalogic.ca/wild/6-surprising ... change-sex

there is not need at all. Dhamma and the Abbhidhamma are teachings for devas and humans to realize the Truth in existential terms. Are not biology manuals for the animal world or scientific magazines.

To clarify:
- If one wish to now what is a human being under scientific terms, one can learn what the Biology and natural sciences says about the human being, sex and gender and etc. With the natural sciences one can discover what is the human being inside that Natural frame.

- If one wish to now what is a human being under social terms, one can learn what sociology or anthropology says about societies and humans, also about sex and gender and etc. With social sciences one can know many things about human being inside that Social world.

- However, from a Dhamma perspective both Nature and Society are delusions. There is not any necessity of coincidence because the purpose of Dhamma is of existential goal instead utility meanings (without transcendence, only meaningful into the limits of birth and death for oneself).


The question here can be: What do we wish to discover?. This is the real question

There are many types of knowledge available for the human being. The artistic knowledge is not the scientific knowledge, neither the scientific knowledge or any other is the Dhamma knowledge.

In Dhamma, the gender it is not a social construction. It is a phenomena causally produced, involving rupa and nama, linked kammically with the existence of a mother and father, and also a fact empirically available for the experience. Besides the Buddha words there are detailed explanations of the development of gender according rupa predominance and the controlling faculty inside the Abbhidhamma texts. This development is described like a phenomena similar to the body-sense. It appears in The Dispeller of Delusion, the Atthasalini and probably more

And why identification with gender is described as Mara's trap/tactic.

as Gender in Dhamma is different from those social theories, also the "transcending gender" doesn't have to do with trascend the "Gender" explained by those social theories. I believe we are not talking about the same think

These social theories claims somebody can be a man or a woman with the power of the own belief. Not sure if they define such action as "to transcend". In Dhamma the transcendence of the gender is not developed with a belief in a another identity neither with ignorance about the nature of the own gender. It happens with both knowledge of the gender and then by detachment:

"A man attends inwardly to his masculine faculties, masculine gestures, masculine manners, masculine poise, masculine desires, masculine voice, masculine charms. He is excited by that, delighted by that. Being excited & delighted by that, he attends outwardly to feminine faculties, feminine gestures, feminine manners, feminine poise, feminine desires, feminine voices, feminine charms. He is excited by that, delighted by that. Being excited & delighted by that, he wants to be bonded to what is outside him, wants whatever pleasure & happiness that arise based on that bond. Delighting, caught up in his masculinity, a man goes into bondage with reference to women. This is how a man does not transcend his masculinity.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

also note another important thing: in Dhamma that transcendence is not for some social identity purpose but to avoid the subsequent dukkha from the attraction and lust towards others. Goals also are different because the nature and reality of that "gender" is not the same.

In Dhamma, one can know the development of attraction and lust towards other human and the arising wish for characteristics masculine or feminine or both. From here, also one can understand and accept the variety of expressions for the sexual attractions because different rupa predominances and circumstances of life and mind, all kamma.

To end: the "Gender" of social these theories doesn't have to do with gender in Dhamma. As also the matter according modern Science is not a reflection of rupa. And this is good. Different types of knowledge and interests are good because the human being can know from different needs and ways. This is normal. With the knowledge of Suttas and Abhidhamma we cannot manofacturate a simple screw. Not everybody should be buddhist, scientific or a social theoric.