If a light akusala arisen in the Death Moment ?

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If a light akusala arisen in the Death Moment ?

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It has been mentioned in the Abhidhamma that the closest deciding factor of the place of next birth is Asanna Kamma (of Cuti citta).

One of the Abhidhamma scholar monks said that
"this Asanna Kamma should be a somewhat strong akusala in order to be born in a bad realm.
Otherwise Cuti Citta may most probably invoke an Acinna Kamma in general situation."

I would like to know the ideas of Abhidhama scholars here, on this regard.

(This is the Link to the above mentioned monk's site. not to the talk)
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Yes, it can happen and there are few Buddhist stories to support that.
However, you will have only a brief re-birth in an animal or woeful state and you will be reborn in a Deva or human world if you have other good Kamma.
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SarathW wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:06 pm Yes, it can happen and there are few Buddhist stories to support that.
However, you will have only a brief re-birth in an animal or woeful state and you will be reborn in a Deva or human world if you have other good Kamma.
Thank you for answering.

Actually, the unclear point is,
"Does a generally virtuous person need to have a big Asanna Kamma
and not a general kilesa mind,
in order to be born in a Apaya?"


Metta.
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Eko Care wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:21 am
SarathW wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:06 pm Yes, it can happen and there are few Buddhist stories to support that.
However, you will have only a brief re-birth in an animal or woeful state and you will be reborn in a Deva or human world if you have other good Kamma.
Thank you for answering.

Actually, the unclear point is,
"Does a generally virtuous person need to have a big Asanna Kamma
and not a general kilesa mind,
in order to be born in a Apaya?"


Metta.
Only the Sotapanna has the assurance of not being born as an animal or in woeful state.
In other words does not matter how virtuous you are you are subject to end up in an animal realm or woeful state.
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Eko Care wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:02 pm It has been mentioned in the Abhidhamma that the closest deciding factor of the place of next birth is Asanna Kamma (of Cuti citta).
Where exactly is the above mentioned in the Abhidhamma? Please kindly provide a quote or link? Thank you :thanks:
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Eko Care wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:21 am
SarathW wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:06 pm Yes, it can happen and there are few Buddhist stories to support that.
However, you will have only a brief re-birth in an animal or woeful state and you will be reborn in a Deva or human world if you have other good Kamma.
Thank you for answering.

Actually, the unclear point is,
"Does a generally virtuous person need to have a big Asanna Kamma
and not a general kilesa mind,
in order to be born in a Apaya?"


Metta.
To support your investigation please read the following.
This paper has two sections. One is about Kamma in Suttananaya or discourse
mode. Another is Abhidhammanaya or Philosophical mode. Both of modes have you
to understand Kamma clearly more than before.
People, who understand Sommuti-Sacca or conventional truth, should study
Kamma in Suttantana. But people, who understand Paramattha-sacca or absolute
truth, should study Kamma in Abhidhammanaya.
http://www.undv.org/vesak2012/research/ ... saporn.pdf
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Could u kindly quote the relevant sentences or paragraphs you are referring to? Thanks :thanks:
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