Are all ariya-sacca paramattha sacca?

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Are all ariya-sacca paramattha sacca?

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Is suffering an ultimate reality? And attachment? And nibbana? And right speech? And right livelihood, etc?
And now that we're on that, what about the 5 nivarana? Are they paramattha or vohara sacca?
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Haniver wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:19 am Is suffering an ultimate reality? And attachment? And nibbana? And right speech? And right livelihood, etc?
And now that we're on that, what about the 5 nivarana? Are they paramattha or vohara sacca?
Thank you, friends :anjali:
Yes as per Abhidhamma.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el322.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Haniver wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:19 am Is suffering an ultimate reality? And attachment? And nibbana? And right speech? And right livelihood, etc?
And now that we're on that, what about the 5 nivarana? Are they paramattha or vohara sacca?
All four truths are treated in the Abhidhamma as paramattha dhammas.

All forms of dukkha are ultimately comprehended under the five khandhas. The truth of the origin of dukkha, along with each factor of the eightfold path, are identified with particular mental factors; and Nibbāna is the unconditioned element.

Right speech, action and livelihood consist in the arising of abstinence mental factors (virati cetasika).

The five hindrances likewise comprise seven mental factors when they are described abhidhammically.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.


In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Thank you very much, friends :anjali:
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Dhammanando wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:28 am
Haniver wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:19 am Is suffering an ultimate reality? And attachment? And nibbana? And right speech? And right livelihood, etc?
And now that we're on that, what about the 5 nivarana? Are they paramattha or vohara sacca?
All four truths are treated in the Abhidhamma as paramattha dhammas.

All forms of dukkha are ultimately comprehended under the five khandhas. The truth of the origin of dukkha, along with each factor of the eightfold path, are identified with particular mental factors; and Nibbāna is the unconditioned element.

Right speech, action and livelihood consist in the arising of abstinence mental factors (virati cetasika).

The five hindrances likewise comprise seven mental factors when they are described abhidhammically.
Thank you, Bhante.
Could you explain the highlighted?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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SarathW wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:13 pm Could you explain the highlighted?
Kāmacchanda = lobha
Byāpāda = dosa
Thīnamiddha = thīna and middha
Uddhaccakukkucca = uddhacca and kukkucca
Vicikicchā= vicikicchā

And thus the five become seven.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.


In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Thanks. :D
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