I am interested in what the earlier arahants thought about that sutta
Thanks
Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
This Sutta is in Samyutta Nikaya. So the Atthakatha for this Nikaya should be "Saratthappakasini", I don't think it has English translation. I have the Thai version though. Let me read it see if I found it or not or can understand or not, then I will translate it and put here later.
Saratthappakasini
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
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sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
Hi Ratnakar,
See Ñāṇamoli, Life of the Buddha, pp. 54–60, 64–69.
https://store.pariyatti.org/life-of-the-buddha
Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi cites a bit of the Commentary:
This sutta, often called “The Fire Sermon,” is the third discourse of the Buddha as recorded in the narrative of his ministry at Vin I 34–35. According to this source, the thousand bhikkhus were former jaṭila (matted-hair) ascetics under the leadership of the three Kassapa brothers. The Buddha had converted them by a series of miracles, after which he preached the present sermon. The sermon gains special meaning from the fact that before their conversion these ascetics had been devoted to the fire sacrifice. The full account is at Vin I 24–34; see Ñāṇamoli, Life of the Buddha, pp. 54–60, 64–69.
Spk: Having led the thousand bhikkhus to Gayā’s Head, the Blessed One reflected, “What kind of Dhamma talk would be suitable for them?” He then realized, “In the past they worshipped the fire morning and evening. I will teach them that the twelve sense bases are burning and blazing. In this way they will be able to attain arahantship.” In this sutta the characteristic of suffering is discussed.
See Ñāṇamoli, Life of the Buddha, pp. 54–60, 64–69.
https://store.pariyatti.org/life-of-the-buddha
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
Thanks, if the sub commentary exists if you don't mind please translate it tooOntheway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:16 amThis Sutta is in Samyutta Nikaya. So the Atthakatha for this Nikaya should be "Saratthappakasini", I don't think it has English translation. I have the Thai version though. Let me read it see if I found it or not or can understand or not, then I will translate it and put here later.
IMG_20211130_141752.jpgSaratthappakasini
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
I don't think there is subcommentary to that commentary. Even if there is, I don't take that as authority for understanding.Ratnakar wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 amThanks, if the sub commentary exists if you don't mind please translate it tooOntheway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:16 amThis Sutta is in Samyutta Nikaya. So the Atthakatha for this Nikaya should be "Saratthappakasini", I don't think it has English translation. I have the Thai version though. Let me read it see if I found it or not or can understand or not, then I will translate it and put here later.
IMG_20211130_141752.jpgSaratthappakasini
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
I read the commentary of Adittapariyaya sutta in Saratthappakasini...there are two parts of it, the first part of the commentary dealing with the past life of those three Bhikkhus, another part is the exactly as what was translated by Bhikkhu Bodhi above posted by Assaji. That's all about this sutta.Ratnakar wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 amThanks, if the sub commentary exists if you don't mind please translate it tooOntheway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:16 amThis Sutta is in Samyutta Nikaya. So the Atthakatha for this Nikaya should be "Saratthappakasini", I don't think it has English translation. I have the Thai version though. Let me read it see if I found it or not or can understand or not, then I will translate it and put here later.
IMG_20211130_141752.jpgSaratthappakasini
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
I take Pali, commentary, sub commentary and even anutika for authority since I dont think I know the commentary better than Pali sub commentators, I don't think I know the sub commentary better than Pali anutika commentators,etc etc but I respect your opinion it's cool that you know the commentary better than Pali sub commentatorsOntheway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:20 amI don't think there is subcommentary to that commentary. Even if there is, I don't take that as authority for understanding.Ratnakar wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 amThanks, if the sub commentary exists if you don't mind please translate it tooOntheway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:16 am
This Sutta is in Samyutta Nikaya. So the Atthakatha for this Nikaya should be "Saratthappakasini", I don't think it has English translation. I have the Thai version though. Let me read it see if I found it or not or can understand or not, then I will translate it and put here later.
IMG_20211130_141752.jpgSaratthappakasini
I want the opinion of Buddha, earlier arahants and second generation arahants
Re: Is there any Pali commentary and sub commentary on fire sermon sutta in English that I can read online ?
Yes, I also agree that the opinions of Buddha, earlier arahants and second generation arahants are of foremost importance. This is why I taken up "Vibhajjavada" as my practice.Ratnakar wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:53 pmI take Pali, commentary, sub commentary and even anutika for authority since I dont think I know the commentary better than Pali sub commentators, I don't think I know the sub commentary better than Pali anutika commentators,etc etc but I respect your opinion it's cool that you know the commentary better than Pali sub commentators
I want the opinion of Buddha, earlier arahants and second generation arahants
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false