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In SN 22.59 (Anattalakkhana Sutta) the phrase translated as

"for if form were self"

appears to be

"Rupañca hidam, bhikkhave, attā abhavissa..."

Could someone help me with the "abhavissa", please? It looks like future tense, but has an irregular ending and the suffix -a. It doesn't seem to be optative. Is it a way of expressing a counterfactual?
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It's the conditional tense, cf. Warder pg. 331 ff.
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pulga wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:15 am It's the conditional tense, cf. Warder pg. 331 ff.
Ah, yes! Many thanks pulga. :anjali: :heart:
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Sam Vara wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:11 pm Is it a way of expressing a counterfactual?
Some notes on the conditional:

(a) The conditional is but rarely used (Warder, 1963/2001, p. 331). (b) It expresses future time relative to something past and an action unable to be acted out on account of some obstacle (Duroiselle, 1906/1997, p. 80), in the case when there is no accomplishing of an action (Kacc 422; Collins, 2006, p. 91). (c) It also denotes an action or happening that might have occurred on the condition that the necessary things had been supplied (Ānandamaitreya, 2012, p. 89), i.e. in a hypothetical sense. (d) Counterfactual assertions are also intimated by this mood (Collins, 2006, p. 92).

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A. Bhikkhu wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:32 am
Sam Vara wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:11 pm Is it a way of expressing a counterfactual?
Some notes on the conditional:

(a) The conditional is but rarely used (Warder, 1963/2001, p. 331). (b) It expresses future time relative to something past and an action unable to be acted out on account of some obstacle (Duroiselle, 1906/1997, p. 80), in the case when there is no accomplishing of an action (Kacc 422; Collins, 2006, p. 91). (c) It also denotes an action or happening that might have occurred on the condition that the necessary things had been supplied (Ānandamaitreya, 2012, p. 89), i.e. in a hypothetical sense. (d) Counterfactual assertions are also intimated by this mood (Collins, 2006, p. 92).

Mettā
Much appreciated. I knew there must be a counterfactual in there somewhere, but I haven't got that far in Warder yet!

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