What is Tiparivatta?

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What is Tiparivatta?

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What is Tiparivatta?
I have listened to some monks it applies in different ways.
Is this relating to Four Noble Truths as follows?

Dukkha Satya:
1)Duukkha Dukkha
2)Viparinama Dukkha
3)Sankhara Dukkha

Samudaya Satya:
1)Kama Tanha
2)Bhava Tanha
3)Vibhava Tanha

Nirodha Satya
1)Anicca
2)Dukkha
3)Anatta

Marga Satya
1)Sila
2)Samadhi
3)Panna

http://polgollekusaladhamma.blogspot.co ... a-and.html
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SarathW wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:27 pm What is Tiparivatta?
I have listened to some monks it applies in different ways.
Is this relating to Four Noble Truths as follows?
Yes. Tiparivaṭṭaṃ appears only found in SN 56.11.
This is the noble truth of the cessation of suffering.’

'This noble truth of the cessation of suffering should be realized.’

‘This noble truth of the cessation of suffering has been realized.’

As long as my true knowledge and vision about these four noble truths was not fully purified in these three perspectives and twelve respects, I didn’t announce my supreme perfect awakening in this world with its gods, Māras, and Brahmās, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans.

Yāvakīvañca me, bhikkhave, imesu catūsu ariyasaccesu evaṃ tiparivaṭṭaṃ dvādasākāraṃ yathābhūtaṃ ñāṇadassanaṃ na suvisuddhaṃ ahosi, neva tāvāhaṃ, bhikkhave, sadevake loke samārake sabrahmake sassamaṇabrāhmaṇiyā pajāya sadevamanussāya ‘anuttaraṃ sammāsambodhiṃ abhisambuddho’ti paccaññāsiṃ.

https://suttacentral.net/sn56.11/en/sujato
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SarathW wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:27 pmDukkha Satya:
Please try to respect the Dhamma rather than post words in sanskrit.
SarathW wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:27 pm1)Duukkha Dukkha
2)Viparinama Dukkha
3)Sankhara Dukkha

Samudaya Satya:
1)Kama Tanha
2)Bhava Tanha
3)Vibhava Tanha

Nirodha Satya
1)Anicca
2)Dukkha
3)Anatta

Marga Satya
1)Sila
2)Samadhi
3)Panna
The above appear not relevant to tiparivaṭṭaṃ. Also, please post in Pali and not in Sanskrit. Thanks
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As long as my true knowledge and vision about these four noble truths was not fully purified in these three perspectives and twelve respects, I didn’t announce my supreme perfect awakening in this world with its gods, Māras, and Brahmās, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans.
Then what are twelve respects?
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SarathW wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:17 pm Then what are twelve respects?
12 aspects = 4 x 3 perspectives

4 noble truths x 3 perspectives = 12 aspects
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1) 'This is the noble truth of stress.
ie:Dukkha Satya:
1:1)Duukkha Dukkha
1:2)Viparinama Dukkha
1:3)Sankhara Dukkha

2)This noble truth of stress is to be comprehended.
3)This noble truth of stress has been comprehended.'

4)This is the noble truth of the origination of stress
ie:Samudaya Satya:
4:1)Kama Tanha
4:2)Bhava Tanha
4:3)Vibhava Tanha

5)'This noble truth of the origination of stress is to be abandoned'
6')This noble truth of the origination of stress has been abandoned.'

7)This is the noble truth of the cessation of stress
ie:Nirodha Satya
7:1)Anicca
7:2)Dukkha
7:3)Anatta

8) 'This noble truth of the cessation of stress is to be directly experienced
9) 'This noble truth of the cessation of stress has been directly experienced.'

10) 'This is the noble truth of the way of practice leading to the cessation of stress
ie:Marga Satya
10:1)Sila
10:2)Samadhi
10:3)Panna

11)'This noble truth of the way of practice leading to the cessation of stress is to be developed'
12)'This noble truth of the way of practice leading to the cessation of stress has been developed.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... html#fnt-2

https://polgollekusaladhamma.blogspot.c ... a-and.html

The above can be explained another way:

1). Sacca nana with regard to Dukkha Sacca

2). Kicca nana with regard to Dukkha Sacca

3). Kata nana with regard to Dukkha Sacca


4). Sacca nana with regard to Samyudaya Sacca

5). Kicca nana with regard to Samyudaya Sacca

6). Kata nana with regard to Samudaya Sacca


7). Sacca nana with regard to Nirodha Sacca

8). Kicca nana with regard to Nirodha Sacca

9). Kata nana with respect to Nirodha Sacca


10). Sacca nana with regard to Magga Sacca

11). Kicca nana with regard to Magga Sacca

12). Kata nana with regard to Magga Sacca
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I am still not sure about this OP question.
Can anyone else have some other thoughts?
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Tiparivatta refers to
Three rounds (of banding)

It means 4NT has 3 sequences or successions of looping in each of its Truth Ñāṇa . 1st order seeing through the dependent arising thus attain the right view ie one attain stream entry . 2nd order keep on practice and deepen to penetrate further one attain sakadagami n anagami and the 3rd order one completed the training by attaining arahatship .
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