Which pali word is negativity ?

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Which pali word is negativity ?

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Dear Pali teachers ,

could someone point out which below pali word is negativity ?


Thanks in advance .



Meditate on rejoicing.

Muditaṁ, rāhula, bhāvanaṁ bhāvehi.

For when you meditate on rejoicing any negativity will be given up.

Muditañhi te, rāhula, bhāvanaṁ bhāvayato yā arati sā pahīyissati.
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Dear Asahi,
asahi wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:09 am could someone point out which below pali word is negativity ?

Meditate on rejoicing.

Muditaṁ, rāhula, bhāvanaṁ bhāvehi.

For when you meditate on rejoicing any negativity will be given up.

Muditañhi te, rāhula, bhāvanaṁ bhāvayato yā arati sā pahīyissati.
It's "arati".

:anjali:
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Assaji wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:15 am Dear Asahi,
asahi wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:09 am could someone point out which below pali word is negativity ?

Meditate on rejoicing.

Muditaṁ, rāhula, bhāvanaṁ bhāvehi.

For when you meditate on rejoicing any negativity will be given up.

Muditañhi te, rāhula, bhāvanaṁ bhāvayato yā arati sā pahīyissati.
It's "arati".

:anjali:

Hi Assaji ,

It seems pali dictionary definition quite different when i googled . So the opposite of mudita is arati or discontent , but in no where negativity reflect the word meaning !?



PTS Pali English Dictionary
arati
feminine
dislike, discontent, aversion
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"Negativity" is a psychobabble term for discontent.

Who is the translator?
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.


In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
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Dhammanando wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:27 pm "Negativity" is a psychobabble term for discontent.

Who is the translator?
The translator for above is sujato .
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Dhammanando wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:27 pm "Negativity" is a psychobabble term for discontent.

Who is the translator?
What is the root term here, please? I've been puzzled by this one before. Is it merely the negative of rati (liking, love, attachment)? And is there a connection to ārati (leaving off, abstention)? The online dictionary on SC only gives the proper name - one of Mara's daughters, and it doesn't feature in Warder.

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Sam Vara wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:57 pm What is the root term here, please? I've been puzzled by this one before. Is it merely the negative of rati (liking, love, attachment)? And is there a connection to ārati (leaving off, abstention)? The online dictionary on SC only gives the proper name - one of Mara's daughters, and it doesn't feature in Warder.
It's worth noting that there are quite a number of words beginning with the negative prefix a- for which the PED gives no separate entry but simply defines them in the entry for the unnegated form. Arati, however, isn't one of these - it does get its own entry:
Arati (f.) [a + rati] dislike, discontent, aversion Sn 270, 436, 642, 938; Dh 418 (= ukkaṇṭhitattaŋ DhA iv.225); Th 2, 339 (= ukkaṇṭhi ThA 239); Sdhp 476.
As for ārati, it's derived from the same root as rati and arati (i.e. ram) but with a different prefix.
Ārati (f.) [Sk. ārati, ā + ram] leaving off, abstinence Vv 639 (= paṭivirati VvA 263); in exegetical style occurring in typ. combn. with virati paṭivirati veramaṇī, e. g. at Nd2 462; Dhs 299.
As for arati's meaning, though in some places its a- prefix is merely privative (i.e. mere absence of rati) this isn't common. Meanings like discontent, boredom, resentment and, in later texts, envy are more usual.
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tato taṃ hoti aññathā.


In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
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Dhammanando wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:24 pm ...
Many thanks, Bhante, that's very helpful.
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Since we're dealing with one monk giving advice to another might it be something akin to acedia, i.e. spiritual apathy or boredom?
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