My name is
My name is
How would you say "my name is" and "how are you?" in Pali?
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
Re: My name is
here's a good example from SN 8.9:
nāma = name, just like in nama rupa.
aham = pronoun "I"
two key words:Ekaṃ samayaṃ bhagavā rājagahe viharati veḷuvane kalandakanivāpe.
At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground.
Atha kho āyasmā aññāsikoṇḍañño sucirasseva yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavato pādesu sirasā nipatitvā bhagavato pādāni mukhena ca paricumbati, pāṇīhi ca parisambāhati, nāmañca sāveti:
Then Venerable Koṇḍañña Who Understood approached the Buddha after a very long absence. He bowed with his head to the Buddha’s feet, caressing them and covering them with kisses, and pronounced his name:
“koṇḍañño-'haṃ, bhagavā, koṇḍaññohaṃ, sugatā”ti.
“I am Koṇḍañña, Blessed One! I am Koṇḍañña, Holy One!”
nāma = name, just like in nama rupa.
aham = pronoun "I"
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Re: My name is
My guess would be "ahamasmi X," with X being your name. "My name is X" would maybe involve a genetive we can obviously imagine.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Re: My name is
In modern spoken Pali:
Kinnāmo'si?
Ahaṃ Devadatto nāma.
Kathaṃ tava sarīrapavatti?
Thuti atthu; aham'accantanirogī viharāmi.
What is your name?
My name is Devadatta.
How are you?
Thank you; I am quite well.
Kinnāmo'si?
Ahaṃ Devadatto nāma.
Kathaṃ tava sarīrapavatti?
Thuti atthu; aham'accantanirogī viharāmi.
What is your name?
My name is Devadatta.
How are you?
Thank you; I am quite well.
Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Re: My name is
Thank you Bhante.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:22 pm In modern spoken Pali:
Kinnāmo'si?
Ahaṃ Devadatto nāma.
Kathaṃ tava sarīrapavatti?
Thuti atthu; aham'accantanirogī viharāmi.
What is your name?
My name is Devadatta.
How are you?
Thank you; I am quite well.
“The teacher willed that this world appear to me
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
as impermanent, unstable, insubstantial.
Mind, let me leap into the victor’s teaching,
carry me over the great flood, so hard to pass.”
Re: My name is
Excuse me. What is modern spoken Pali? Is Pali really spoken? I thought it was found only in books.
Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Sammā Sambuddhassa
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Re: My name is
It's the creation of a handful of 20th century Sri Lankan and Burmese monks, notably Rev. A.P. Buddhadatta. It's used by Asian scholar monks of different nationalities if they have no other language in common. I've also heard that Richard Gombrich required his students to speak exclusively in Pali after they'd completed the first semester of his course.
Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Re: My name is
I witnessed something similar at a pro-life conference in London. I heard two men speaking in a strange language, one fluently and the other a little more hesitantly. Two Catholic priests, one Polish and one Filipino, rattling away in Latin.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:44 pmIt's the creation of a handful of 20th century Sri Lankan and Burmese monks, notably Rev. A.P. Buddhadatta. It's used by Asian scholar monks of different nationalities if they have no other language in common. I've also heard that Richard Gombrich required his students to speak exclusively in Pali after they'd completed the first semester of his course.
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Re: My name is
For anyone interested in learning spoken Pali, Rev. Buddhadatta's Aids to Pali Conversation and Translation is available online.
https://dhamma.ru/paali/aids_to_pali_conversation.pdf
And if you want to converse about things like the English Restoration (Aṅgalikarājapaṭisaṅkharaṇa), the Labour Party (Āyāsapakkha), cinematography (calacittavijjā), the enfranchisement of women (itthībhujissakaraṇa), the Episcopal Church (dhammādhikārāyatta-devāyatana), helicopters (vyomayānavisesā) and nuclear submarines (paramāṇuvisayantodakanāvā), then you'll also need Buddhadatta's English-Pali Dictionary.
https://archive.org/details/MahatheraEn ... ictionary2
https://dhamma.ru/paali/aids_to_pali_conversation.pdf
And if you want to converse about things like the English Restoration (Aṅgalikarājapaṭisaṅkharaṇa), the Labour Party (Āyāsapakkha), cinematography (calacittavijjā), the enfranchisement of women (itthībhujissakaraṇa), the Episcopal Church (dhammādhikārāyatta-devāyatana), helicopters (vyomayānavisesā) and nuclear submarines (paramāṇuvisayantodakanāvā), then you'll also need Buddhadatta's English-Pali Dictionary.
https://archive.org/details/MahatheraEn ... ictionary2
Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Re: My name is
It's not really a spoken language, but some learned folk are able to converse in it. When I was staying at Island Hermitage, Sri Lanka in 1979, the Sri Lankan abbot & a senior German monk would have long conversations in Pali at evening drinks (gilanpasa).
aniccā vata saṇkhārā - tesaṁ vūpasamo sukho
Re: My name is
I guess something like this (I'm not a pali scholar):
- Aham Ceisiwr naama / Ceisiwr naamo aham / Ceisiwr naamo'ham
- Aham Ceisiwr asmi / Ceisiwr aham asmi / Ceisiwr hamasmi
- kacci te khamaniiyam / kacci te Ceisiwr khamaniiyam
- katham te phaasu viharati'ti / katham te phaasu viharo
my = mama/mayham/mamam/me , name=naamam/naamo
how = kacci/katham, you=tvam/tuvam/tavam/tam
...etc.
Re: My name is
Yes, Kacci khamaṇīyaṁ, kacci yāpaṇīyam (roughly, how are you bearing up, how are you going?) would be standard. I think this the usual phrase in the suttas (?)
aniccā vata saṇkhārā - tesaṁ vūpasamo sukho
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Re: My name is
It's the stock phrase when visiting a sick person. I don't think we have any record of how healthy people would make phatic enquiries after each other's health. The precise words they used have been effectively concealed by the preference for a descriptive summary,: "upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodi, sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā.." rather than direct speech.
"... having approached, he exchanged greetings with the Blessed One; having exchanged greetings of friendliness and courtesy..."
(MN 18)
Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Re: My name is
I think you are correct, Bhante.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:47 amIt's the stock phrase when visiting a sick person. I don't think we have any record of how healthy people would make phatic enquiries after each other's health. The precise words they used have been effectively concealed by the preference for a descriptive summary,: "upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodi, sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā.." rather than direct speech.
"... having approached, he exchanged greetings with the Blessed One; having exchanged greetings of friendliness and courtesy..."
(MN 18)
During early days in robes, I and some of my monk friends would greet each other with kacci khamaṇīyaṁ, kacci yāpaṇīyam? - which is probably why the phrase remains in memory.
aniccā vata saṇkhārā - tesaṁ vūpasamo sukho