sati n samma sati

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However , micchāsati is in contrast with samma sati , that is formless attaintments does not resulted in the letting go of all attachments, the ending of defilements, fading away, cessation and going out .
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Dhammanando wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:05 am
SarathW wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:47 am Did Alara and Uddaka had Samma Sati or Michha Sati?
I don't think either term is applicable. The Pāsarāsisutta says that the Bodhisatta's teachers had the faculty of mindfulness (satindriya) and the rest of the five faculties. The said faculties were sufficiently well developed to make possible the attainment of the highest and second highest of the formless attainments, but not sufficiently for attainment of the ariyan path.

Since their satindriya didn่t bring them to the ariyan path it doesn't count as the sammāsati of the ariyan path. But since it did bring them to the formless attainments it cannot have been something unwholesome and so couldn't have been micchāsati.
Thank you, Bhante.
It is a good point. Just a side question do you think they had the Samma Samadhi?
To be honest with you I am not sure what is Samma Samadhi means. My assumption is when you have Samma Sati you naturally will have Samma Samadhi. In that case, Bodhisatta's teachers had accomplished the Noble Eightfold Path. However, they did not have the Samma Ditthi. So without Samma Ditthi, you can't have Samma Sati.
So what are your thoughts?
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asahi wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:59 am Hi pali teachers ,

Are both the same ?
Pls explain how both differs ?
Does samma sati include sampajañña ?


Thanks
Another important factor is Samma Sati is a factor of 37 factors of enlightenment. (mentioned in four places plus in four Satipathana)
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asahi wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:22 am However , micchāsati is in contrast with samma sati , that is formless attaintments does not resulted in the letting go of all attachments, the ending of defilements, fading away, cessation and going out .
The fact that an occurrence of sati doesn't bring about the ending of defilements doesn't make it micchā-sati.
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SarathW wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:54 am It is a good point. Just a side question do you think they had the Samma Samadhi?
No. There's no right concentration without right mindfulness.
Anabhirati kho, āvuso, imasmiṃ dhammavinaye dukkhā, abhirati sukhā.

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Dhammanando wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:03 pm
SarathW wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:54 am It is a good point. Just a side question do you think they had the Samma Samadhi?
No. There's no right concentration without right mindfulness.
Perhaps they had the Lokiya Samma Sati and Samma Samadhi?
Bhante, Could you give me an example of beautiful mindfulness in Cetasika?
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