The Intentions of Lord Buddha's Teachings

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The Intentions of Lord Buddha's Teachings

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Hi all,

I'm reading a book called, "Buddhadhama-Natural Laws and Values for Life" translated by Phra Prayudh Payutto & Grant A. Olson. I've only just started it, but I would like to share someting I just read.

"The intentions and comprehensiveness of the religious teachings and practices of Lord Buddha and his followers is apparent in the woreds attributed to him. The very first time he sent his followers out to spread the religio, he said the following:"
Bikkus, you should all wander about for the benefit and happiness of the majority, help the people of this world, support and provide well-being to all dieties and human beings.
Coming from vajrayana, I appreciated finding this gem, as there is a direct parallel between this and the encouragement I've received from all of my teachers to cultivate bodhicitta. Just wanted to share it here.

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Drolma
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The ultruistic intention of the Bodhisatta, namely, the still unawakened Prince Siddharta, is described in the Bhaya-bherava Sutta, where the Buddha described his former striving.
There are some priests & contemplatives, brahman, who have the perception of 'day' when it is night and of 'night' when it is day. This, I tell you, is their being in a dwelling of delusion. As for me, I have the perception of 'day' when it is day and of 'night' when it is night. If anyone, when speaking rightly, were to say, 'A being not subject to delusion has appeared in the world for the benefit & happiness of many, out of sympathy for the world, for the welfare, benefit & happiness of human & divine beings,' he would rightly be speaking of me.
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Drolma wrote:Hi all,

I'm reading a book called, "Buddhadhama-Natural Laws and Values for Life" translated by Phra Prayudh Payutto & Grant A. Olson. I've only just started it, but I would like to share someting I just read.

"The intentions and comprehensiveness of the religious teachings and practices of Lord Buddha and his followers is apparent in the woreds attributed to him. The very first time he sent his followers out to spread the religio, he said the following:"
Bikkus, you should all wander about for the benefit and happiness of the majority, help the people of this world, support and provide well-being to all dieties and human beings.
Coming from vajrayana, I appreciated finding this gem, as there is a direct parallel between this and the encouragement I've received from all of my teachers to cultivate bodhicitta. Just wanted to share it here.

Kind regards,
Drolma
:buddha2:
I think this is a question best put to rest. What differences does it make? :shrug:

His intentions were noble and his teachings work. Asking this question is a big and nasty distraction.
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I beg your pardon.

What in the world is nasty about this? I'm learning about Theravada pretty much for the first time, have stated as much in other posts, and I'm writing in the "Exploring Theravada" section.

I just found a neat passage today in a book that Stuka recommended to me, and I wanted to share because it relates to what I've learned in other traditions.
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Thanks for pointing that quote out Drolma. Sharing such Dhamma Gems uplifts us all - almost all that is.
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Drolma wrote:I beg your pardon.

What in the world is nasty about this? I'm learning about Theravada pretty much for the first time, have stated as much in other posts, and I'm writing in the "Exploring Theravada" section.

I just found a neat passage today in a book that Stuka recommended to me, and I wanted to share because it relates to what I've learned in other traditions.

There is not a thing wrong with your post. Actually, I appreciate the point you are making.
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Hi
this is a very interesting question as it isn't just about the intention of the Buddha but that of the teachers or monks of his teachings
I will contemplate on this and be back
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Oh yes, right after that Lord Buddha goes on to describe the responsibilites of all noble people from Bikkhus and Bikkhas to lay males and females who aren't householders, to men and women with families. And He emphasizes the importance of their intentions all the way down. I'd like to quote it all here, but my 3 year-old keeps "helping" me type [typos?] and it's too much of a struggle ;)
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Just buy the book, then. It's a little pricey but it's worth it. :reading:
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:reading:
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Drolma wrote:Well that's not my point or the intention behind my post. If it's your point though, that's fine. Of course you're entitled to it.

Furthermore, it's not right to make assumptions about what I wrote just because of my background.
I didn't assume that. I'm sorry if what I said came across as harsh. :)

Questioning the intentions of Buddha's teaching doesn't seem to have any practical relevance to the Buddhist path. The Buddha's intent was profoundly and unimaginably good. What more could be said about it than that?

A person, especially a Mahayana Buddhist, might dig deep into the suttas and come up with some perplexing questions, like, "Why did the Buddha require a Maha-Brahma to beg him before he taught the Dhamma?" And, "Why did the Buddha require Ananda to beg him to teach for another couple decades, before he would do so?" Through doing this digging, one might start to question how noble the Buddha's intentions were... Asking questions like, "Why didn't the Buddha choose to live forever?" and "Why didn't the Buddha make EVERYONE enlightened?"

But these questions are best put aside. If anyone can be said to have been compassionate, it is Gautama, the greatest man to have ever lived. His mind is beyond comprehension, but his universal, boundless compassion is indubitable. If you understand this, then you should understand why this is a question that should be put aside.

The Buddha's teaching is meant to be learned and put into practice. The Buddha's intentions are something which led up to the development of his teaching, but are not exactly a part of the teaching itself. The Buddha's intentions fall outside of the Four Noble Truths and because of that, they are irrelevant.

Simsapa Sutta
Once the Blessed One was staying at Kosambi in the simsapa1 forest. Then, picking up a few simsapa leaves with his hand, he asked the monks, "What do you think, monks: Which are more numerous, the few simsapa leaves in my hand or those overhead in the simsapa forest?"

"The leaves in the hand of the Blessed One are few in number, lord. Those overhead in the simsapa forest are more numerous."

"In the same way, monks, those things that I have known with direct knowledge but have not taught are far more numerous [than what I have taught]. And why haven't I taught them? Because they are not connected with the goal, do not relate to the rudiments of the holy life, and do not lead to disenchantment, to dispassion, to cessation, to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding. That is why I have not taught them.

"And what have I taught? 'This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress': This is what I have taught. And why have I taught these things? Because they are connected with the goal, relate to the rudiments of the holy life, and lead to disenchantment, to dispassion, to cessation, to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding. This is why I have taught them.

"Therefore your duty is the contemplation, 'This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress.' Your duty is the contemplation, 'This is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress.'"
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Oh for goodness sakes! Image

I'm not questioning the Buddha's intentions or asking all sorts of strange speculative questions. I'm pointing out what He taught. This is the Exploring Theravada section where people new to buddhism or coming from other traditions can talk about this stuff. I read a little something that I got excited about today, and posted it here for newcomers like me. It is not irrelevant to me and I think it's motivational.

But it's okay Individual, thank you for sharing what you did and expanding on your point.
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Indy: The Buddha's intent was profoundly and unimaginably good. What more could be said about it than that?
Yes, how dare anyone raise their voice in praise of Buddha after His parinibbana. Shame on the millions of devoted Buddhists who did just that over the last 2000 plus years. Their irrelevance is stunning. [insert sarcasm smilie here, but could not find one.]
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Ah, I see. So you weren't questioning the Buddha's intentions, only praising them.

Sorry. :bow:
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