What is the origin of Abhidhamma?

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What is the origin of Abhidhamma?

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Abhidhamma... Who taught it to whom? Why people say it's not something that the Buddha might have taught?

Please help me.
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It depends, classically in Theravada its believed the Buddha taught it to devas when he was spending his vassa in tavatimsa, he then came down to earth each day and taught it to Ven. Sariputta who organized it into its traditional form.

Many modern scholars believe it was a later addition however, due to things like syntax and concepts not lining up with the proper time period or something like that. Although some scholars do theorize that, due the abhidhamma existing across multiple early Buddhist schools, that it was perhaps based on common existing material that actually was taught by the Buddha, but was changed into its current form some time after, which would explain why scholars think it was written in a way consistent with a few hundred years Post Buddhist era.
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BlueLotus wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:43 am Abhidhamma... Who taught it to whom? Why people say it's not something that the Buddha might have taught?

Please help me.
Just read its content and judge for yourself.
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Re: What is the origin of Abhidhamma?

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Hi,

I am not an expert in any sense of the word, hence I cannot speak for scholars nor Theravada.

But for myself I can see that, there is an Abhidhamma in the Suttas themselves or at least an Abhidhamma accessible to the Blessed One and some Disciples.
Uppādā vā, bhikkhave, tathāgatānaṃ anuppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ, ṭhitāva sā dhātu dhammaṭṭhitatā dhammaniyāmatā

Monks, whether or not there is the arising of Tathagatas, this property stands — this steadfastness of the Dhamma, this orderliness of the Dhamma
The Tathagata directly awakens to that, breaks through to that. Directly awakening & breaking through to that, he declares it, teaches it, describes it, sets it forth. He reveals it, explains it, & makes it plain
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Uppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ anuppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ, ṭhitāva sā dhātu dhammaṭṭhitatā dhammaniyāmatā idappaccayatā

Whether or not there is the arising of Tathagatas, this property stands — this regularity of the Dhamma, this orderliness of the Dhamma, this this/that conditionality
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Lord, when wise nobles or brahmans, householders or contemplatives, having formulated questions, come to the Tathagata and ask him, does this line of reasoning appear to his awareness beforehand — 'If those who approach me ask this, I — thus asked — will answer in this way' — or does the Tathagata come up with the answer on the spot?"

"In that case, prince, I will ask you a counter-question. Answer as you see fit. What do you think: are you skilled in the parts of a chariot?"

"Yes, lord. I am skilled in the parts of a chariot."

"And what do you think: When people come & ask you, 'What is the name of this part of the chariot?' does this line of reasoning appear to your awareness beforehand — 'If those who approach me ask this, I — thus asked — will answer in this way' — or do you come up with the answer on the spot?"

"Lord, I am renowned for being skilled in the parts of a chariot. All the parts of a chariot are well-known to me. I come up with the answer on the spot."

"In the same way, prince, when wise nobles or brahmans, householders or contemplatives, having formulated questions, come to the Tathagata and ask him, he comes up with the answer on the spot.

Why is that?

Because the property of the Dhamma is thoroughly penetrated by the Tathagata. From his thorough penetration of the property of the Dhamma, he comes up with the answer on the spot.
_Sā hi, rājakumāra, tathāgatassa dhammadhātu suppaṭividdhā yassā dhammadhātuyā suppaṭividdhattā ṭhānasovetaṃ tathāgataṃ paṭibhātī”ti
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Bhikkhu, the Venerable Sāriputta has thoroughly penetrated that element of the Dhamma by the thorough penetration of which, if I were to question him about that matter with various terms and with various methods for up to seven days and nights, for up to seven days and nights he would be able to answer me with various terms and with various methods

Sā hi, bhikkhu, sāriputtassa dhammadhātu suppaṭividdhā, yassā dhammadhātuyā suppaṭividdhattā divasaṃ cepāhaṃ sāriputtaṃ etamatthaṃ puccheyyaṃ aññamaññehi padehi aññamaññehi pariyāyehi, divasampi me sāriputto etamatthaṃ byākareyya aññamaññehi padehi aññamaññehi pariyāyehi......
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Dhammadhātu

the element, the sphere, the range, of dhamma and/or dhammas
As I see it, since we no longer have the Blessed One and Greater Disciples, the Abhidhamma is the the most detailed access to the Dhammadhatu we currently have.

The Suttas are like the prescriptions given to individual patients by a Great Doctor and the Abhidhamma is like the theory of medicine itself.
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BlueLotus wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:43 am Abhidhamma... Who taught it to whom? Why people say it's not something that the Buddha might have taught?

Please help me.
see also this long thread on this subject:
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2169
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What is the origin of Abhidhamma?
Read this:

https://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg ... dharma.pdf
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