Why only lion not tiger

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In the suttas the metaphors of Lion's Roar that Buddha refer to himself, representing himself as the lion when acclaim his attaintment and enlightenment and to describe his proclamation of the Dhamma , why not chose other wild beast such as tiger ?
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asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:10 pm In the suttas the metaphors of Lion's Roar that Buddha refer to himself, representing himself as the lion when acclaim his attaintment and enlightenment and to describe his proclamation of the Dhamma , why not chose other wild beast such as tiger ?
because in Indian culture lion means leader or highest
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confusedlayman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:00 pm
asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:10 pm In the suttas the metaphors of Lion's Roar that Buddha refer to himself, representing himself as the lion when acclaim his attaintment and enlightenment and to describe his proclamation of the Dhamma , why not chose other wild beast such as tiger ?
because in Indian culture lion means leader or highest
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Some says ancient india didnt have tiger . 🤭
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asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:54 pm Some says ancient india didnt have tiger . 🤭
Well, the Buddha referred to them, and I doubt if he saw them in zoos....
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Sam Vara wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:45 pm
asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:54 pm Some says ancient india didnt have tiger . 🤭
Well, the Buddha referred to them, and I doubt if he saw them in zoos....
A quick google search gives an estimate of tigers being present in India from between 12,000 to 16,500 years.
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Lions are pack animals. Tigers are solitary. A lion's roar is to announce his presence and authority to everyone around which designates his distinction above others, so that they may follow him and learn from him. When a monk is solitary, he doesn't need to roar.
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asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:10 pm In the suttas the metaphors of Lion's Roar that Buddha refer to himself, representing himself as the lion when acclaim his attaintment and enlightenment and to describe his proclamation of the Dhamma , why not chose other wild beast such as tiger ?
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Come back, O Tigers!, to the woods again,
and let it not be leveled with the plain.
For without you, the axe will lay it low.
You, without it, forever homeless go.


—Khuddaka Patha
https://inquiringmind.com/article/1202_ ... _fronsdal/

This is quoted from the Khuddakapatha, but I have not seen this in any translation I have found so far. Perhaps misattributed and is in a different Pali Canon text?

Since tigers are solitary, I could see how that could be revered.

They appear to be venerated more so in the Mahayana than Theravada.
http://tibetanbuddhistencyclopedia.com/ ... /The_Tiger
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asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:10 pm In the suttas the metaphors of Lion's Roar that Buddha refer to himself, representing himself as the lion when acclaim his attaintment and enlightenment and to describe his proclamation of the Dhamma , why not chose other wild beast such as tiger ?
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Suvaṇṇasāmacariya

“When in a wood I was Sāma the black,
. . . . . . . --- “Sāmo yadā vane āsiṁ,
created by Sakka.
. . . . . . . --- sakkena abhinimmito;
I led the lions and tigers
. . . . . . . --- Pavane sīhabyagghe ca,
in the forest by love.
. . . . . . . --- mettāya mupanāmayiṁ.
Surrounded by lions and tigers,
. . . . . . . --- Sīhabyagghehi dīpīhi,
leopards, bears, buffaloes,
. . . . . . . --- acchehi mahisehi ca;
spotted deer, and wild boar,
. . . . . . . --- Pasadamigavarāhehi,
I stayed in the forest.
. . . . . . . --- parivāretvā vane vasiṁ.
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𝓑𝓾𝓭𝓭𝓱𝓪 𝓗𝓪𝓭 𝓤𝓷𝓮𝓺𝓾𝓲𝓿𝓸𝓬𝓪𝓵𝓵𝔂 𝓓𝓮𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽
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What is the best roar? The lion or the tiger?



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asahi wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:10 pm In the suttas the metaphors of Lion's Roar that Buddha refer to himself, representing himself as the lion when acclaim his attaintment and enlightenment and to describe his proclamation of the Dhamma , why not chose other wild beast such as tiger ?
Lion's roar = words that cannot
be refuted (roars of the Arahat)

Tiger's roar = can be countered by a
lion's roar THEN IT'S NOT SUITABLE.
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