Sarath W wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:21 pm This is my standard recommendation for beginners:
a)
Watch the video "A short introduction to Buddism" by Bhikkhu Bodhi
Read Buddhism course. (Take about 12 hours to read and give you a good idea about the teaching)
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/PDF_BuddhismCourse/
a) Listen to the ten lecture series by Bhikkhu Bodhi
https://bodhimonastery.org/the-buddhas- ... it-is.html
b)Print a copy of this Dhamma Chart and refer to it while studying Buddhism.
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=16785
c) Read Buddha’s Teaching by Narada. Start from chapter 15.
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf
d) While you reading texts please listen to the following Dhamma Talk by Joseph Goldstein.
http://www.dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/6162/
e) Start reading Sutta.
Good starting point would be to read Bikkhu Bodhi’s “In the Buddha’s Word”
Link to the summary:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=19951
Then read Sutta or listen to Central. Start from Majjhima Nikaya. https://suttacentral.net/mn
f) Last but not least practice what you learn.
What do you give to a beginner online?
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I would also suggest this, in the order Sarath suggested. Good sequence.
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Agree.except badly learned ideas.
Sometimes it is even to hard learn what is good and bad as Buddha asked us to move away from both.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Faith developing: Sampasadaniya sutta, Brahmajala sutta, Mahakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
Prerequisites: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Dhammapada and it's atthakatha ...etc
History the Blessed One: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Buddhavamsa, Cariyapitaka ...etc
Easy to Memorize and chant: Dhammapada, Paritta
About the results of merit and demerit: Vimanavatthu-Petavatthu and it's atthakatha, Cullakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
About the Refuge: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's first chapter Saraṇattayavaṇṇanā
About the Training rules: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's second chapter SaraṇattayavaṇṇanāSikkhāpadavaṇṇanā
About Lay life: Sigalovada sutta, Ahuneyya sutta ...etc.
About the benefits of ordination: Samannaphala sutta, Dantabhumi sutta ...etc
About Meditation: Patisambhidamagga and it's atthakata, Visuddhimagga
About Ultimate realities: Abhidhamma (Abhidhammathasangaha)
About Unorthodox views: Kathavatthu and its atthakata
More pending ....
Prerequisites: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Dhammapada and it's atthakatha ...etc
History the Blessed One: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Buddhavamsa, Cariyapitaka ...etc
Easy to Memorize and chant: Dhammapada, Paritta
About the results of merit and demerit: Vimanavatthu-Petavatthu and it's atthakatha, Cullakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
About the Refuge: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's first chapter Saraṇattayavaṇṇanā
About the Training rules: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's second chapter SaraṇattayavaṇṇanāSikkhāpadavaṇṇanā
About Lay life: Sigalovada sutta, Ahuneyya sutta ...etc.
About the benefits of ordination: Samannaphala sutta, Dantabhumi sutta ...etc
About Meditation: Patisambhidamagga and it's atthakata, Visuddhimagga
About Ultimate realities: Abhidhamma (Abhidhammathasangaha)
About Unorthodox views: Kathavatthu and its atthakata
More pending ....
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Hi Padmist,
This brief outline of Buddhism is useful as an introduction :
https://www.watpahnanachat.org/an-outline-of-buddhism-1
also "Buddha Dhamma Sangha" by Ven. Ajahn Sumedho:
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma2/bds.html
With Metta,
Aloka
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Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
And very important advice:Eko Care wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:32 pm Faith developing: Sampasadaniya sutta, Brahmajala sutta, Mahakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
Prerequisites: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Dhammapada and it's atthakatha ...etc
History the Blessed One: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Buddhavamsa, Cariyapitaka ...etc
Easy to Memorize and chant: Dhammapada, Paritta
About the results of merit and demerit: Vimanavatthu-Petavatthu and it's atthakatha, Cullakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
About the Refuge: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's first chapter Saraṇattayavaṇṇanā
About the Training rules: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's second chapter SaraṇattayavaṇṇanāSikkhāpadavaṇṇanā
About Lay life: Sigalovada sutta, Ahuneyya sutta ...etc.
About the benefits of ordination: Samannaphala sutta, Dantabhumi sutta ...etc
About Meditation: Patisambhidamagga and it's atthakata, Visuddhimagga
About Ultimate realities: Abhidhamma (Abhidhammathasangaha)
About Unorthodox views: Kathavatthu and its atthakata
Never believe Chronology as a trustworthy measure to decide Authenticity.
(It may not help deciding some facts.)
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Wh en i was a "beginner", i was interested in ending suffering & attaining peace of mind.
But above you appear to be giving priority to later scriptures not spoken by the Buddha, such as Jataka and it's atthakatha.Eko Care wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:15 pmAnd very important advice:Eko Care wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:32 pm Faith developing: Sampasadaniya sutta, Brahmajala sutta, Mahakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
Prerequisites: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Dhammapada and it's atthakatha ...etc
History the Blessed One: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Buddhavamsa, Cariyapitaka ...etc
Easy to Memorize and chant: Dhammapada, Paritta
About the results of merit and demerit: Vimanavatthu-Petavatthu and it's atthakatha, Cullakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
About the Refuge: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's first chapter Saraṇattayavaṇṇanā
About the Training rules: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's second chapter SaraṇattayavaṇṇanāSikkhāpadavaṇṇanā
About Lay life: Sigalovada sutta, Ahuneyya sutta ...etc.
About the benefits of ordination: Samannaphala sutta, Dantabhumi sutta ...etc
About Meditation: Patisambhidamagga and it's atthakata, Visuddhimagga
About Ultimate realities: Abhidhamma (Abhidhammathasangaha)
About Unorthodox views: Kathavatthu and its atthakata
Never believe Chronology as a trustworthy measure to decide Authenticity.
(It may not help deciding some facts.)
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Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
What would help would be to stop writing in giant font in your posts, as if you're shouting!
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Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Greetings Eko Care,
Somehow I don't think the Buddha would object to that, despite your shouty advice.
Metta,
Paul.
I'm far more inclined to recommend works which can be reasonably attributed to the Buddha, over works which materialised from the Third Council onwards.
Somehow I don't think the Buddha would object to that, despite your shouty advice.
Better for a beginner to understand the Buddha's actual teaching, so they can use that as a benchmark for assessing other works. Without this basis, how else will they know whether the works of other monks accord with the Buddhadhamma or not? How else will they know if they are slandering the Tathagata?Ani Sutta wrote:Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, there once was a time when the Dasarahas had a large drum called 'Summoner.' Whenever Summoner was split, the Dasarahas inserted another peg in it, until the time came when Summoner's original wooden body had disappeared and only a conglomeration of pegs remained.
"In the same way, in the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.
"In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.
"Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves."
To that end, Sutta compendiums are often a good place to start. Yes, the selection of Suttas may involve some degree of bias on the part of the collater, but this is much less distorted than ignoring the Buddha in favour of monks, scholars and scholar monks.Abhasita Sutta wrote:"Monks, these two slander the Tathagata. Which two? He who explains what was not said or spoken by the Tathagata as said or spoken by the Tathagata. And he who explains what was said or spoken by the Tathagata as not said or spoken by the Tathagata. These are two who slander the Tathagata."
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Eko Care wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:32 pm Faith developing: Sampasadaniya sutta, Brahmajala sutta, Mahakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
Prerequisites: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Dhammapada and it's atthakatha ...etc
History the Blessed One: Jataka and it's atthakatha, Buddhavamsa, Cariyapitaka ...etc
Easy to Memorize and chant: Dhammapada, Paritta
About the results of merit and demerit: Vimanavatthu-Petavatthu and it's atthakatha, Cullakammavibhanga sutta ...etc
About the Refuge: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's first chapter Saraṇattayavaṇṇanā
About the Training rules: Khuddhaka patha and it's atthakatha's second chapter SaraṇattayavaṇṇanāSikkhāpadavaṇṇanā
About Lay life: Sigalovada sutta, Ahuneyya sutta ...etc.
About the benefits of ordination: Samannaphala sutta, Dantabhumi sutta ...etc
About Meditation: Patisambhidamagga and it's atthakata, Visuddhimagga
About Ultimate realities: Abhidhamma (Abhidhammathasangaha)
About Unorthodox views: Kathavatthu and its atthakata
More pending ....
Are these books? Oh my. That's a lot? Would a newbie know where to even get these books?
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
SarathW wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:21 pm This is my standard recommendation for beginners:
a)
Watch the video "A short introduction to Buddism" by Bhikkhu Bodhi
Read Buddhism course. (Take about 12 hours to read and give you a good idea about the teaching)
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/PDF_BuddhismCourse/
a) Listen to the ten lecture series by Bhikkhu Bodhi
https://bodhimonastery.org/the-buddhas- ... it-is.html
b)Print a copy of this Dhamma Chart and refer to it while studying Buddhism.
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=16785
c) Read Buddha’s Teaching by Narada. Start from chapter 15.
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf
d) While you reading texts please listen to the following Dhamma Talk by Joseph Goldstein.
http://www.dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/6162/
e) Start reading Sutta.
Good starting point would be to read Bikkhu Bodhi’s “In the Buddha’s Word”
Link to the summary:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=19951
Then read Sutta or listen to Central. Start from Majjhima Nikaya. https://suttacentral.net/mn
f) Last but not least practice what you learn.
Thanks Sarath. If you don't mind, may I have the correct links? I think you copied these somewhere and the links didn't quite transfer correctly due to formatting. Thanks.
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
I always recommend the same thing: In the Buddha's Words by Bhikkhu Bodhi. IMO, it's the best introduction to the foundational teachings of the Buddha because of its logical progression of appropriately categorized teachings combined with characteristically lucid summaries from the author.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Re: What do you give to a beginner online?
Can someone decide what has spoken by the Blessed one, using the measures given by secular teachers?DooDoot wrote: But above you appear to be giving priority to later scriptures not spoken by the Buddha, such as Jataka and it's atthakatha.
If it is so, then even a Troll can understand the teachings of Buddha.
Did I hurt you, dear ..?Aloka wrote: What would help would be to stop writing in giant font in your posts, as if you're shouting!
The word "reasonably" may depend of the individual's secular beliefs.retrofuturist wrote: I'm far more inclined to recommend works which can be reasonably attributed to the Buddha,
You may don't think. Someone else may think.retrofuturist wrote: Somehow I don't think the Buddha would object to that
Someone secular may think he can understand the deep phenomena. It is natural for them to think like that.retrofuturist wrote:Ani Sutta wrote: — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness —
Mutually aggreed for majority of suttas. What about unclear suttas?retrofuturist wrote: Better for a beginner to understand the Buddha's actual teaching, so they can use that as a benchmark for assessing other works. Without this basis, how else will they know whether the works of other monks accord with the Buddhadhamma or not? How else will they know if they are slandering the Tathagata?
Generally, most of the modern beginners will think, that they can distinguish everything the Blessed One spoke.retrofuturist wrote: in favour of monks, scholars and scholar monks.
This is a characteristic of a beginner, or of a secular scholar who thinks he is not a beginner.
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Because ..
We can find more views of them, if we start to investigate whether or not a particular author is eligible to comment on texts.Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Caroline Rhys Davids' personal opinionsI.B.Horner inherited some of her inclinations, not necessarily limited to the above mentioned atta-ish ones.
Wikipedia wrote: later in life she rejected the concept of anatta as an "original" Buddhist teaching.
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It's a great collection, and you can read the introductory material and the suttas (not always Bhikkhu Bodhi's translations) here:Mkoll wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:33 pmI always recommend the same thing: In the Buddha's Words by Bhikkhu Bodhi. IMO, it's the best introduction to the foundational teachings of the Buddha because of its logical progression of appropriately categorized teachings combined with characteristically lucid summaries from the author.
In the Buddha’s Words: An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon Linked to SuttaCentral.net
https://readingfaithfully.org/in-the-bu ... ntral-net/
The book itself is not expensive, and it's been my goto resource when someone asks "What did the Buddha teach about X?" for about 15 years.
Mike